Renewables is a reality
 

Good news (for a change!)

https://english.elpais.com/spain/202...a-reality.html

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Was even reported on the BBC early morning show weather slot yesterday
100% renewable for nine hours...

Im all for it, having the 100% renewable tariff from our electric supplier and having moved all of my pension pot to companies with a good renewable and sustainable business plans.. (ok Im not making any money but if more people did this it might force bad companies to look at their waste)

But and its going to remain a fairly large but, until battery storage becomes easily available for when the sun dont shine...

I still think the world is maybe 30 years away from a reliable (cheap) storage....
Again another BUT it dont matter what small countries like ours and in fact most of the world do, when China etc are not doing much if anything.

Top 10 carbon polluters in the world. Knock these off the list and you will actually see some progress.

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1. China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
2. United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2
3. India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
4. Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
5. Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
6. Germany, 759 million tons of CO2 (set to get worse as they have closed the Nuclear power stations)
7. Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
8. South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
9. Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
10. Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2

The Uk by comparison is only responsible for less than 6 million tons of the total and Spain 245 million tons...

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Wow that really is good news thanks.

We live about 80min drive from Sevilles solar tower its wonderful.... Take a look at the pictures..

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/0...spain.html?m=1

Jon

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I do remember driving towards Seville and seeing what I thought was the headlight of a plane in the sky - which then never moved and I couldn't work it out until I vaguely remembered this.

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this company is being backed by Jeff Bazos, Bill Gates and state of West Virginia


''Washing Machine size'' mean it can fit anywhere in the home may be entering the market late 2023/2025 add this to a 50% enhancement to solar panels giving 320 watts per 1000 watts instead 220watts . Perskovite based Solar panels also expected to have a commercial run at end of 2024 could be the start of something very very exciting and not too far away.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/20/a-bi...rs-future.html

I think 2030 may see thet start of a global shift

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I have plenty of spare land that I could install a hundred or so solar pv panels.
Was looking at Endesa website the other day to check out their feed-in figures.
They only buy electricity at 10 cents per kwh.
Also, seems I can only sell to Endesa up to the same amount I consume from them.
So I could generate a couple of hundred kwh a day but only get paid for the amount I purchase from Endesa, which is zero.
Who can I sell my electricity to?

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For autoconsumo con excedentes acogidos a compensación you can't, legally it's more like the supplier is applying a discount to your bill rather than buying it off you. I'm not sure if Endesa will also apply discounts to bills for other properties you have with them but Holaluz will, so e.g. solar panels on land at a house in the country could subsidise the electricity bill for a flat in the city. There is also a way for a third or more of the residents in a comunidad de vecinos to share the cost of solar panels on the roof (and presumably land in urbanizaciones) and getting discounts on their bills.

If you really want to sell electricity then you have to choose autoconsumo con excedentes no acogida a compensación and get legally set up as an electricity supplier, you could try that if you've got bored of the everyday boring bureaucracy you've faced so far. :)

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The real facts are that renewables cost a fortune compared to the usual methods so this must be paid for & guess who will be paying the bill.
So the last thing any of them want it to pay anyone for feeding into their grid (all IMO)

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Anything new costs a fortune, also anything old when it's scarce also costs a fortune, then it runs out and after that we've got a problem.

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So what is running out then ?

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The ''cost of the fortune'' continues to come down, rapidly.

STORAGE

The solid state battery looking to go into production next year will be a fraction of retail cost experienced today and far lighter than lead acetate battery. Imagine a 1 kilo car battery delivering more wattage than the current very heavy car battery, no lead or other toxic by products.

Lighting up the iron rust battery which has a 100 hour charging life and looking to drive 1200watts per 1k weight, with a projected 30 year lifespan instead of a 3 year shelf life for a car battery.

GENERATION

WIND, WAVE AND HYDRO ALL PLAY A PART AS DOES LIGHT ENERGY

LIGHT ENERGY


Perskovite continues to evolve and will go into solar panel production at end of next year with 50% increase in output and at about 60% of the cost per current mass market 1000 watt panels. The work on perskovite as a form of spray paint can turn whole buildings and vehicles, land sea and air into the equivalent of a solar panel. The recent success at a sw wales university for 3 d printing of such panels at a fraction of the present cost is another step in the cost reduction pathway.

DELIVERY

By 2030 there is a real possibility/probability that many detached residential units can go off grid and be 100% clean electric. The grid will remain as a transition evolves. Instead of National grids there will be Regional grids
not delivering Parts of the world where I live there is no excuse for not delivering 100% solar generation and off grid power transmission. The majority of the planets population live in a light receptor zone of 8 hours per day.

Continued evolution, 2030 we may all be living the reality

''Today, solar panels are 94% cheaper than they were in 1989. As the production and energy-generating capacity of solar panels has improved over the last few decades, the cost has dropped significantly. This is a quintessential example of economies of scale in manufacturing. Jan 4, 2023''

Just The Facts: The Cost Of Solar Has Fallen More Quickly ...

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Why did solar get so cheap in the last 20 years?

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Yes, I had a quick look on the net at comparable costs of renewables vs nuclear and renewables seem to be a better bet and probably a lot safer and quicker to install and benefit.

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Well we've just had a preview with Russia turning off the gas and fossil fuels are projected to run out in the latter half of this century.

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I thought that we turned off the taps by refusing to buy it and the allowing old Uncle Sam to blow up the pipeline.

So this is what is planned & the cost will cripple most of the working class of that there is no doubt.

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Russia has cut off gas supplies to Europe indefinitely. Here’s what you need to know

Who blew up the Nord Stream pipelines?

The most important thing to bear in mind is the more scarce something is, the higher the price, so no matter what the reason (Putin or running out of fossil fuels) we collectively need to move to renewable energy sources before conventional energy supplies become scarce, we don't have any choice in the matter.

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Oh dear CNBC & the Economist you certainly have the MSM agenda there.
Not for me thanks.

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A little more reasoned view about things that you will never see on the BeeB of any MSM

https://youtu.be/kD9KG-j7C0M?list=TLPQMjUwNTIwMjOy7dADEOzKxQ&t=31

https://youtu.be/kD9KG-j7C0M?list=TLPQMjUwNTIwMjOy7dADEOzKxQ&t=31

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Neil Oliver... :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

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Yes that shows (your post) just how polar opposites we can all be, as to me he is one of the more sane voices commenting in this day & age.

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I wonder what happens if you 'follow the carbon' i.e. follow the goods and their associated CO2 production through to the country of ultimate usage. Presumably the UK will be in the top 10 as it's the 6th biggest economy?

Saying we produce a small amount of CO2 always strikes me like a mafia boss saying he never killed anyone, when he's ordered many murders.

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Jewish group and MPs urge GB News to stop indulging conspiracy theories

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A Guardian follower I should have guessed and no doubt you will be glueing yourself to the road soon..
Anyway no point in replying to me as I have said we are poles apart.

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I could find the same story on other websites if you like. Should I link to the story about him showing an image of Bill Gates as a Nazi on his programme - that's the very definition of sane, right?

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People always say wind is 9 times cheaper than gas, but I suppose there's other calculations available.

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There's no mention of costs or who will foot the bill, or how much energy and therefore income will be generated once it's operational. So I wonder how did you reach your conclusion that the cost will cripple the working class?

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Spain’s renewable power generation to top 50% in 2023, surpassing European neighbours on strong wind and solar

https://www.rystadenergy.com/news/spain-s-renewable-power-generation-to-top-50-in-2023-surpassing-european-neighbor

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This idea should be priority legislation after the elections. What a fantastic idea, so simple! Local electricity production at the point of consumption and the old chestnut of energy storage is wiped away since the cars are storing the energy. No shortage of locations either in all those out of town shopping centre car parks, factories etc. Your car stays cooler so more savings not turning up the aircon full blast when you leave. Absolute simplicity just needs the politicians to put in place a suitable economic framework to make it happen. Perfect for Spain and the Mediterranean countries: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65626371
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...12744e1cf5.jpg

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You've seen the car park for Ikea in Malaga?

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No Mark, not quite visible over the horizon from Santander :) But fair play, not something I've seen before but it is the kind of thing that governments can influence with suitable legislation. Not at all surprised that it is a certain Swedish furniture company! It's a brilliant way to repurpose existing land and slow down the rate of green field site expansions.

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I agree. I remember something in Spain about a feed in tariff for generating your own solar and feeding it back into the system and I think read recently on here(?) you can't now feed more in than you use normally. Something like that. I wonder how somewhere like this at Ikea works. Maybe they just use what they generate themselves and top it up from the grid when there's not enough. In effect using all they produce and not feeding in at all.

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Some more links to add to the conversion.

https://twitter.com/StopEolicoAgata https://twitter.com/stopeolicos

https://www.eldebate.com/economia/20...es_118346.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...anned-windfarm

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Some years ago, the first windfarms were proposed to be placed on various parts of the Cordillera Cantabrica, but the government here decided to look for alternatives due to the environmental impact it would have to have the mountains bedecked by windfarms. As soon as they did that, the Burgos side of the mountains got windfarms and they are visible from the Cantabria side! Classic example of why regional government can often lead to really weird outcomes.

Personally I don''t like them, even though I've made a habit of photographing them!


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...2c0135f854.jpg

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I'm not going to parse all those links and statistics but the problem with statistics - and this is just about statistics alone, not what they are representing, is that in isolation they don't usually give the full picture. For example, with the Guardian article, it states that "1,387 griffon vultures.... died in windfarms in the two regions between 2020 and 2022..." That is three years inclusive so 462 a year.
The Vulture Conservation Foundation say, "The Griffon Vulture population trend in Spain is clearly positive, with a 17.6-26% increase over the decade 2008-2018. However, the growth rate seems to be declining since the beginning of the national censuses in the 1980s, suggesting that the Spanish population of Griffon Vultures could be reaching carrying capacity and will stabilise over the coming years. With an estimated 30,100-36,500 individuals, Spain is home to the largest European population of Griffon Vultures."
That'd mean 1.2% die each year because of windfarms, so they say.

I doubt that would be enough to stop any development.

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Yep, Vultures and birds in general have often been used as an argument against windfarm development. Ecologist fighting Ecologists and both sides convinced they are right. At the risk of turning this into a photo thread, Black Vultures are alive and well in Cantabria. When they smell a dead carcass, there can be hundreds overhead in no time at all and a dead animal on the ground does not last long! This was nearby in January 2021 during COVID so clearly they did not obey lockdown rules..


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...e533ab882c.jpg
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Everyday along the A8 (Autovia del Cantabrico) we get loads of long low loader trucks from LASO carrying the components for wind turbines. I wonder if folks realise how BIG these things are? Some of the bigger ones can have blades up to 70 metres long (think of four lorries nose to tail), and require ten individual truck journeys for each turbine to transport the column, generator head and blades etc from manufacturers to point of assembly. I often wonder if you take all the energy used to clear the assembly site, then the manufacture of the components, transportation and assembly, maintenance costs etc, how many years are needed before you get to net zero energy and eventually you get "green" energy? This photo comes from the company's twitter feed, but it is what we see all the time along the motorway.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...147fddf551.jpg

Truly impressive company video on youtube here

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They also have to dig a big hole where each turbine will be, and put a load of concrete in it - or so I saw on YouTube. But I suppose it's all less energy than would be used building a coal-fired or nuclear power station. The best thing would be for us all to use less electricity, but given that's not going to happen these wind farms seem the best option to produce more.

Did you know that in the UK they ship wood pellets across the Atlantic (from Canada I think) and burn them in a generator, giving off all that pollution. And the government calls it green energy because the trees will grow again. Only in Britain!

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That needs a correction.
This is in Dutch because I cannot find equivalent information on what the Dutch are doing in English. https://www.trouw.nl/opinie/wij-stok...prijs~b9f83cb8

Do you know that wood pellets have been declared energy neutral by the EU? That makes them ok to be designated as green energy.

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This is what they are planning,
https://northseawindpowerhub.eu/

Take the UK where a good deal of the so called wind farms are offshore, as you can imagine the construction costs are eye watering but the maintenance costs are no different.
Now what do you think that the linked project costs will run to (?) and who will be paying the bill.

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We lived in Shoreham by Sea before moving here and there is a large off shore wind farm and a wood fired power station.
It was claimed that the off shore wind farm would never break even due to the costs involved and the erosion effect of the salt spray. Recycling the blades and towers is also a huge cost.

The power station burns timber and waste wood and in the five years we spent there no pollution was generated by it. I went on a tour of the Port once and it was explained that they were in the process of fitting solar to all the warehouse roofs to turn the whole port and industrial area carbon neutral.

Its a fascinating place to visit if you are ever near Brighton and have nothing else planned..
https://www.shoreham-port.co.uk/need...nability-week/

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Thanks, VFR - very interesting link, I have not heard any talk/news etc on this but looks like some joined-up thinking is going on.

I used to live in Worthing (just up the coast) from Shoreham - used to be a dirty little port but sounds like it has joined the 21st century.