Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10055078)
They may do in Valencia but in Andalucia they don't - mine is now 13 years old.
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 10055016)
the she'd have to prove she can support you!!!!
the certs don't have to be renewed I don't think........... but the SIPs/tarjetas sanitarias do............ Rosemary |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Rosemary
(Post 10056292)
Had me panicking for a moment because I had not realised that our SIP cards might have an expiry date. Ran to check on them and neither of our cards have an expiry date.
Rosemary I wonder what the difference is:unsure: |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 10056302)
some do though - a few of my students have had to renew theirs recently - mine doesn't expire either (I didn't look til after I posted :o- was just going on my students' experiences :confused:)
I wonder what the difference is:unsure: |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 10056353)
Mine doesnt need renewing. However ..... when we first registered we had a succession of temporary cards which expired, and we had to keep going back to renew. I dont know if this may be the difference. Eventually we got our permanent ones and they have no expiry date on them.
I wonder if there will be problems when they do go to renew??? I'm supposed to be going to sort out a resident cert. with a friend in a couple of weeks - she should have done it years ago really - works here, pays autonomo, kids in school etc..... - for some reason she has suddenly decided she really ought to....... I have a sneaky feeling she just won't bother now :unsure: - although she would be able to meet the criteria - it's just the extra hassle involved now |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by lynnxa
(Post 10056358)
I suppose it might be..............
I wonder if there will be problems when they do go to renew??? I'm supposed to be going to sort out a resident cert. with a friend in a couple of weeks - she should have done it years ago really - works here, pays autonomo, kids in school etc..... - for some reason she has suddenly decided she really ought to....... I have a sneaky feeling she just won't bother now :unsure: - although she would be able to meet the criteria - it's just the extra hassle involved now These new rules though, they dont exactly encourage you to sign up do they! |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 10056362)
These new rules though, they dont exactly encourage you to sign up do they!
I know that EU rules designate you as a tourist for only 90 days but what about the hundreds of thousands of foreign property owners who spend most of the winter in Spain. In theory they should sign on and then sign off again when they go home. What on earth would that achieve? For almost all legal situations fiscal residency is the only thing that counts and that is very clearly defined at 183 (non consecutive) days in one year. You can avoid the requirement to register after 90 days by leaving the country - easy for those on the CDS - a quick trip to Gib but you can't (in theory) avoid the fiscal residency trap as that is a very simple rule with no exceptions (well just a few!) The padron (again in theory) is simple - you can only sign on if your HABITUAL home is in the locality and that in itself would in 99% of cases imply fiscal residency. Of course this has been abused in the past by greedy town halls who will sign up anyone just to get increased funding from the state. If they dropped the 90 day green form nonsense and concentrated on fiscal residency it would be so much simpler. You could not get a health card or buy a car or re-matriculate a UK car without it and you would be forced to pay your taxes in Spain. People who had paid tax for 5 years would qualify for permanent residency. They could then automatically give you a certificate of tax residency if you had paid one years tax and change it to a permanent certificate after 5 years of tax declarations. If they were really nice thay might even put your photo on it! Seems simple to me - but probably that's why it will never happen. |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 10056362)
Well, I wont get into it too deeply .... but its tough! You come to live here, you should abide by the rules even if you dont agree with them. I look on the local Oliva Facebook page and I see people who havent bothered, and dont see a problem with that!
These new rules though, they dont exactly encourage you to sign up do they! |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 10056362)
Well, .... but its tough! You come to live here, you should abide by the rules even if you dont agree with them.
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10055303)
Yes but if you are in possession of the permanent residency document then by definition your 5 years initial stay must have been legal or it would not have been issued.
The existing law says that the only way you can lose your right of permanent residence is if you leave Spain for two years or for serious reasons of public policy or public security (whatever they might be). I'm interested as we are coming up towards the five year mark ourselves. |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 10056535)
Mitz & Lyn.................Autonomos were/are the one group excluded from registering unless the rules have changed of course.
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Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 10056535)
Mitz & Lyn.................Autonomos were/are the one group excluded from registering unless the rules have changed of course.
Everyone who is EU but not Spanish, irrespective of their job situation, is obliged to register on the list of foreigners after 90 consecutive days in Spain. |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by megmet
(Post 10056536)
How does one get the permanent residence document?
I'm interested as we are coming up towards the five year mark ourselves. If you apply for one for the first time it will not have this wording and ,optionally, after holding it for 5 years you can apply for one with the "permanente" wording. The wording on the A4 certificate is slightly different from the new card sized one (by necessity) but it should refer to the length of time you have been in Spain. |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Just taken a look at mine and the only date on it is in the 'footer' along with the intranet web address from which it was printed.
Interestingly, the date is some 9 months after we actually came here - did we really leave it that long??:confused: I can't see the word 'permanente' so I guess it's not. |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 10056565)
If you had a residencia card and when it runs out apply for the certificate, you will be given a certificate with the right of permanent residency. It looks identical to the one issued to new applicants but the wording is slightly different and should refer to "permanente" and it gives a date that you first registered in Spain (which would be the date you had your first card).
If you apply for one for the first time it will not have this wording and ,optionally, after holding it for 5 years you can apply for one with the "permanente" wording. The wording on the A4 certificate is slightly different from the new card sized one (by necessity) but it should refer to the length of time you have been in Spain. |
Re: Proof of income for residency
Originally Posted by snikpoh
(Post 10056575)
Just taken a look at mine and the only date on it is in the 'footer' along with the intranet web address from which it was printed.
Interestingly, the date is some 9 months after we actually came here - did we really leave it that long??:confused: I can't see the word 'permanente' so I guess it's not. |
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