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kimilseung Apr 25th 2012 1:00 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 10025589)
Read Genesis, the 1st 2 chapters. And if you ask "is Genesis true", then all I can say is that if Christ believed it, that's good enough for me.
If others don't, fair enough.

I took up your challenge -
first day: God made light
fourth day: God made the Sun and moon (as lights)
Where did the first days light go?
Where did the light of the moon go?

Sally Redux Apr 25th 2012 1:03 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 10025925)
I took up your challenge -
first day: God made light
fourth day: God made the Sun and moon (as lights)
Where did the first days light go?
Where did the light of the moon go?

:lol:

"You have to have faith".

jojojojojo Apr 25th 2012 6:36 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 
When you believe something that is unbelievable you have to have faith and thats what religion is, Faith. I dont have it, nor do I believe - it seems most of us here dont. So we all have to live and let live. Some people need their faith. But this is a really interesting discussion

Jo xxx

cricketman Apr 25th 2012 6:41 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi (Post 10025642)
It's a way of saying it, I guess. But I know (i.e. am convinced) that He still cares.
For pity's sake, He still forgives after 2000 years & what we did to Christ.

In the end, everything comes down to faith. Not a copout. Because you cannot prove these things either way, you still have to finish up saying "well, OK, I don't like that bit or that one, but I'll still believe anyway".

Not blind naivety either.

Now I know why you moved to Euzkadi - to be among God's own people! :rofl:

dmu Apr 25th 2012 7:11 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 10026241)
Faith. I dont have it, nor do I believe - it seems most of us here dont.

I think there might be quite a few out there who do believe and do have faith but prefer not to provoke unnecessary hostility and intolerance.
Hats off to the few who had the courage to witness and :thumbdown: to all those who disrespect and throw scorn at believers.

jojojojojo Apr 25th 2012 7:38 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by dmu (Post 10026266)
I think there might be quite a few out there who do believe and do have faith but prefer not to provoke unnecessary hostility and intolerance.
Hats off to the few who had the courage to witness and :thumbdown: to all those who disrespect and throw scorn at believers.

While I understand what you're saying, a discussion is the best way of conveying a message. It would enabled those who dont understand information to make decisions dont you think??? I thought that the words of religion should be spread - especially to non believers??

Jo xxx

rugbymatt Apr 25th 2012 7:45 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 
This seems to matter a lot to a lot of non believers.

jojojojojo Apr 25th 2012 7:55 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10026303)
This seems to matter a lot to a lot of non believers.

Well from my own view point, and without disrespecting anyone, I have trouble understanding how educated adults and professionals manage to believe any of this stuff. I used to believe as a kid and young adult, but as life unfolded to me, I started to question it all. Then after 9/11 I started to realise that christianity (that I grew up with) was no different than any of the other major religions that it contradicted. I went to a few alpha courses at my church and just couldnt understand how anyone could believe in any of it, especially when there are millions of others whose belief is as strong for thier faiths. Yes, its not about scientific facts, but faith that its all real - but to me its far fetched nonsense. I guess I want someone to prove to me that it isnt - no one has, infact the more I hear the more silly it all seems. And religion simply causes wars and hatred, which I dont think anyones god would approve of. And how can any loving God behave as he did in the old testement, and the inaccuracies of age etc, even if it is a true account of events

Jo xxx

jimenato Apr 25th 2012 8:08 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10026303)
This seems to matter a lot to a lot of non believers.

I am interested in why people have unevidenced beliefs whether they be in gods, homeopathy, ghosts, reiki, flying saucers, Loch Ness monsters, angel therapy, mediums, psychics, astrology, numerology, crystal therapy - that sort of thing.

jackytoo Apr 25th 2012 8:58 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 10026325)
I am interested in why people have unevidenced beliefs whether they be in gods, homeopathy, ghosts, reiki, flying saucers, Loch Ness monsters, angel therapy, mediums, psychics, astrology, numerology, crystal therapy - that sort of thing.

Yes good point. I think if all the different gods were banned from the world then some would invent something else. Some people need something to cling to.

iamthecreaturefromuranus Apr 25th 2012 9:58 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10025930)
:lol:

"You have to have faith".

How come, you think it's OK to take the piss out of people who express a Christian belief, yet if I responded, in a similar fashion to your posts here, to posters expressing a belief in Islam, you would be all over me like a rash?

jojojojojo Apr 25th 2012 10:06 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 10026453)
How come, you think it's OK to take the piss out of people, who express a Christian belief, yet if I responded, in a similar fashion to your posts here, to posters expressing a belief in Islam, you would be all over me like a rash?

Religion - all of it causes hatred, wars, arguments and discontent - this post shows how and why.

Jo xxx

JLFS Apr 25th 2012 10:27 pm

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 10026453)
How come, you think it's OK to take the piss out of people who express a Christian belief, yet if I responded, in a similar fashion to your posts here, to posters expressing a belief in Islam, you would be all over me like a rash?

We all know the answer to that question, dont we?

The Beast Apr 26th 2012 12:34 am

Re: The power of prayer
 
Discussing religion with its encumbering platitudes and incessant contrasting viewpoint is what its there for! It is all about perception, how one sees dissimilar yet interwoven attitudes and beliefs.....Take another look from different angle!

For Example...

This may seem a little confusing to some people who have come to know me but it’s what I truly believe,
‘Charity begins at home’
Is the biggest load of bollocks you will ever hear and
That Chasing the £ sign is good,
So in the future I’ll tell all my friends and family
They mean f#ck all to me in this life,
My peers will understand that
I’ve got my goals set on course and
The pursuit of the golden egg and shallow riches
Mean more than
Close family and friends,
I will say to you from deep down in the depths of my heart
From the beginning of time
Friends and families stayed, played and loved together,
But this will not be so in my grandkids lifetime,
This is a cheap crass, can’t be arsed throwaway generation,
Those supposedly in the know saying
25 years in the future noone will give a flying ****,
I am certainly not convinced that
The world will be a much happier, safer and better place to live in
A quarter of a century down the line,
Climate change and Mother Nature will be global and destructive,
We won’t stand around wingeing that
I, my family and friends care about the world I which we live,
It’ll be plain for all to see
This race of humans is blind, careless and don’t give a toss,
It’s downright crazy to assume that
There is some anticipation and the remotest possibility of salvation



kimilseung Apr 26th 2012 12:55 am

Re: The power of prayer
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 10026303)
This seems to matter a lot to a lot of non believers.

And it would be absurd if it did not.
Gay marriage opposition
War (started by men who talk to god)
Teaching creationism in schools

Never mind the intellectual challenge and wish for empathy, to try to understand the (for the non follower) the non-understandable


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