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Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025565)
Yes, could have.
Is it that important though? The bible after all is not a scientific treatise; more an explanation of how God works. Jo xxx |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025582)
There are more planets. But so what? Ours is more than enough to manage, not that we're doing a very good job of that simple task.
Being in America, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why on earth NASA are spending so much money on going to Mars. What on earth for? Interest? |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 10025395)
I see the silly season has started. How do you know any of this is true?
If others don't, fair enough. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025548)
It's exactly where it should be because any nearer or further from the sun than its 92,000,000 miles, give or take a few, would result in either freezing cold or boiling hot. Death to us. And the tilt gives us the seasons.
The best book I've read on the seasons is one by Anthony Smith, called "The Seasons". It's old, but still relevant. And he's a scientist with little interest in 'religion'. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by jojojojojo
(Post 10025583)
Having heard what genesis had to say about Abraham, sarah, hagar etc - I'm disgusted if thats how god works - worship isnt a phrase I'd want to admit to, so its better to assume that its just ramblings of a few prehistoric fantasists and some bad translation IMO
Jo xxx He SO hates sin, ( as we call it, though to some the term is old fashioned) that He did what He did; e.g. * used barbarians to teach others a lesson * had people put to death for idolising other gods * had some killed for disobedience. Basically His standards are so high, it beats me how He has the patience with us! Christ entered the scene to act as an intermediary as it were, between us miserable wretches (sorry, don't mean to insult you) & His father. Heck, it's getting heavy! |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025589)
Read Genesis, the 1st 2 chapters. And if you ask "is Genesis true", then all I can say is that if Christ believed it, that's good enough for me.
If others don't, fair enough. Actually - don't bother - I think you are on a big wind-up. No rational person can believe this stuff.:sneaky: |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025604)
* used barbarians to teach others a lesson
* had people put to death for idolising other gods * had some killed for disobedience. This confuses me, did God choose some for saving and others for a lower role, of barbarian? Thanks for answering my question about the basque support. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025604)
Seriously, Jo, whilst I can question God, because I feel He wants us to, I cannot begin to know His mind.
He SO hates sin, ( as we call it, though to some the term is old fashioned) that He did what He did; e.g. * used barbarians to teach others a lesson * had people put to death for idolising other gods * had some killed for disobedience. Basically His standards are so high, it beats me how He has the patience with us! Christ entered the scene to act as an intermediary as it were, between us miserable wretches (sorry, don't mean to insult you) & His father. Heck, it's getting heavy! You say "I cannot begin to know His mind" You then say "He SO hates sin" How the hell do you know that if you cannot begin to know his mind? "His standards are so high" - how do you know that? You're talking nonsense. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 10025621)
OK, lets just take a look at this...
You say "I cannot begin to know His mind" You then say "He SO hates sin" How the hell do you know that if you cannot begin to know his mind? "His standards are so high" - how do you know that? You're talking nonsense. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 10025608)
You say 'if Christ believed it' - are you saying he did? If so how do you know? Do you think he also believed Leviticus then?
Actually - don't bother - I think you are on a big wind-up. No rational person can believe this stuff.:sneaky: Of course He believed in Leviticus. But that was superseded by Him & what He said how we should live. He said forget all those laws. Just believe in me & who I am. That is the only challenge we are faced with. Believe it or not. Your choice. When people start blaming God for all sorts of disasters, deaths, etc, since we seem to have excluded Him, ridiculed Him, rewritten His laws because we know better, can you blame Him for sitting back & saying "OK, have it your way. Get on with your lives & see what happens". |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025629)
Wind up it is not.
Of course He believed in Leviticus. But that was superseded by Him & what He said how we should live. He said forget all those laws. Just believe in me & who I am. That is the only challenge we are faced with. Believe it or not. Your choice. When people start blaming God for all sorts of disasters, deaths, etc, since we seem to have excluded Him, ridiculed Him, rewritten His laws because we know better, can you blame Him for sitting back & saying "OK, have it your way. Get on with your lives & see what happens". |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 10025621)
OK, lets just take a look at this...
You say "I cannot begin to know His mind" You then say "He SO hates sin" How the hell do you know that if you cannot begin to know his mind? "His standards are so high" - how do you know that? You're talking nonsense. Not making it up either. Not clever enough for that. There'd be too many flaws. Enough. When people start to get rubbished, you know there's no point carrying on. Goodnight. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 10025631)
:lol: So now God has got the hump?
For pity's sake, He still forgives after 2000 years & what we did to Christ. In the end, everything comes down to faith. Not a copout. Because you cannot prove these things either way, you still have to finish up saying "well, OK, I don't like that bit or that one, but I'll still believe anyway". Not blind naivety either. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 10025628)
Jesus was the intermediary? The guy is making it up as he goes along.
I'm off to bed as it's gone midnight here, & I've got sheep to shear tomorrow. |
Re: The power of prayer
Originally Posted by jimenato OK, lets just take a look at this... You say "I cannot begin to know His mind" You then say "He SO hates sin" How the hell do you know that if you cannot begin to know his mind? "His standards are so high" - how do you know that? You're talking nonsense.
Originally Posted by retired in euzkadi
(Post 10025633)
Sorry, not nonsense. It's what the Old Testament is saying.
Not making it up either. Not clever enough for that. There'd be too many flaws. Enough. When people start to get rubbished, you know there's no point carrying on. Goodnight. What you are saying (whether it's you or the OT, you seem a bit confused about that) is full of flaws. If you write rubbish - expect to get rubbished. |
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