The power of prayer.
Oct 1st 2010, 9:29 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
It's a phrase, 'it depends', ie whether destroying a Bible is acceptable may depend on whether one views religion as a harmless factor in society or not. If the latter, one may feel justified in destroying the book or at least feeling indifferent about what happens to it.
Oct 1st 2010, 9:38 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
It's a phrase, 'it depends', ie whether destroying a Bible is acceptable may depend on whether one views religion as a harmless factor in society or not. If the latter, one may feel justified in destroying the book or at least feeling indifferent about what happens to it.
Oct 1st 2010, 10:09 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
[QUOTE=kimilseung;8890314]Same thing happened to me, I prayed to a jug of milk and the next day the jug of milk helped me find them in my pocket too
Did you get a mustache afterwards?
You are such a worm sometimes.....
Did you get a mustache afterwards?
You are such a worm sometimes.....
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Oct 1st 2010, 10:49 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
In my opinion all religions are the same.
But with different holidays.
But with different holidays.
Oct 2nd 2010, 6:36 am
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Re: The power of prayer.
It's a phrase, 'it depends', ie whether destroying a Bible is acceptable may depend on whether one views religion as a harmless factor in society or not. If the latter, one may feel justified in destroying the book or at least feeling indifferent about what happens to it.
Oct 2nd 2010, 9:20 am
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Re: The power of prayer.
Well the US govt were soon wetting their knickers about the possible burning of the koran.
Footnote for Bill,
You'll probably be much safer sticking with the christian bible for bog roll.
A softer touch and softer paper.
Footnote for Bill,
You'll probably be much safer sticking with the christian bible for bog roll.
A softer touch and softer paper.
Oct 2nd 2010, 9:53 am
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Re: The power of prayer.
You know you are becoming more and more odd as the days go by don't you?
Oct 2nd 2010, 11:12 am
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Re: The power of prayer.
At my uncle's funeral, the c*ck sucker of a priest saw me not singing, climbed down from his perch, stormed over to me, and handed me an open hymnbook in front of everyone. I took it, and staring him in the eye all the time, closed it and just dropped it. He stepped back (presumably expecting me to sprout horns) and went on with the service without saying a word.
In order to prove a point, one year I worked my way thru a bible tearing out the pages and using it as toilet paper (but only for the first wipe, where each page collected the most of what it deserved.) The empty covers went in the dustbin.
Bil, loads of people behave in church exactly how you describe and is the norm unless they are regular churchgoers and has been since I can remember so find it difficult to believe it actually happened.
As for wiping your backside with pages from a bible, the only way you could have proved a point was to save them and send them to the priest that embarrassed you, otherwise what was the point unless you actually believe God was watching you do it.
Oct 2nd 2010, 12:22 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
Here's a fun story. Occasionally I have to attend a church service to give support to family or friends. I have no wish to cause embarrassment, so I stand when the sing, but do not open my mouth or pick up the hymnbook.
I sit during prayers, I will not kneel.
At my uncle's funeral, the c*ck sucker of a priest saw me not singing, climbed down from his perch, stormed over to me, and handed me an open hymnbook in front of everyone. I took it, and staring him in the eye all the time, closed it and just dropped it. He stepped back (presumably expecting me to sprout horns) and went on with the service without saying a word.
In order to prove a point, one year I worked my way thru a bible tearing out the pages and using it as toilet paper (but only for the first wipe, where each page collected the most of what it deserved.) The empty covers went in the dustbin.
I sit during prayers, I will not kneel.
At my uncle's funeral, the c*ck sucker of a priest saw me not singing, climbed down from his perch, stormed over to me, and handed me an open hymnbook in front of everyone. I took it, and staring him in the eye all the time, closed it and just dropped it. He stepped back (presumably expecting me to sprout horns) and went on with the service without saying a word.
In order to prove a point, one year I worked my way thru a bible tearing out the pages and using it as toilet paper (but only for the first wipe, where each page collected the most of what it deserved.) The empty covers went in the dustbin.
Sorry,don't see the point.
Oct 2nd 2010, 4:03 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
I guess my take on the whole thing is that I am an agnostic. Maybe subconsciously (or cowardly) I am covering all the options. Who knows? If someone I loved was ill I probably would utter a prayer.
But spend a little time with me and you'd think I was a blazing atheist.
Look, if there is a god then the bottom line is he is doing a shitty job. I tell my missionary friends that at best he gets a C-. Seems he works part time. I mean where the hell was he when hundreds of Congolese women were getting raped earlier this year? Was the big guy taking a day off? The religious say "God is good" but we don't see too much of that now do we?
The religious will always say that man chooses his own path and that is the reason why all these terrible events happen. God doesn't get involved in the day to day. I even had a Bergen Belsen holocaust survivor tell me that.
Well maybe he should get a little more involved don't you think? Man is f'ing things up pretty good so may be some divine intervention is needed. Having spent the last 15 years in Africa I am amazed how religious people are on the continent whether they are Christian or Muslim. But it would seem to me God lets them down more than anyone else. Their prayers never seem to get answered.
Not trying to make any particular point here just rambling a little.
But spend a little time with me and you'd think I was a blazing atheist.
Look, if there is a god then the bottom line is he is doing a shitty job. I tell my missionary friends that at best he gets a C-. Seems he works part time. I mean where the hell was he when hundreds of Congolese women were getting raped earlier this year? Was the big guy taking a day off? The religious say "God is good" but we don't see too much of that now do we?
The religious will always say that man chooses his own path and that is the reason why all these terrible events happen. God doesn't get involved in the day to day. I even had a Bergen Belsen holocaust survivor tell me that.
Well maybe he should get a little more involved don't you think? Man is f'ing things up pretty good so may be some divine intervention is needed. Having spent the last 15 years in Africa I am amazed how religious people are on the continent whether they are Christian or Muslim. But it would seem to me God lets them down more than anyone else. Their prayers never seem to get answered.
Not trying to make any particular point here just rambling a little.
Oct 2nd 2010, 5:49 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
Bil, loads of people behave in church exactly how you describe and is the norm unless they are regular churchgoers and has been since I can remember so find it difficult to believe it actually happened.
As for wiping your backside with pages from a bible, the only way you could have proved a point was to save them and send them to the priest that embarrassed you, otherwise what was the point unless you actually believe God was watching you do it.
As for wiping your backside with pages from a bible, the only way you could have proved a point was to save them and send them to the priest that embarrassed you, otherwise what was the point unless you actually believe God was watching you do it.
2. This was to underline that even in a foxhole, I will raising two fingers to the sky.
Oct 2nd 2010, 6:55 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
Wow!! Heavy stuff. I only wish that I was that sure one way or the other. Either way I could never be as extreme in my actions.
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Oct 2nd 2010, 7:37 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
God, if he exists, as the xtians say, then he knows everything, and is a complete bastard. Just look what he did to Job, on a bet. You don't get into heaven unless you wuv baby jeezers. So Job after being tortured for the hell of it is burning in Hell, as is Noah who was the best person on earth.
If you don't really believe, he will know, and it won't make a speck of difference whether you go into full butt kissing mode early or late.
Think about it. Do you want to be in an alleged heaven, under the all knowing eye of a divinely powerful being, who is jealous and spiteful (it says so in the bible.)? Can you imagine what that would be like? Hellish.
So everyone like me, who won't kiss arse (but I'll kneel and kiss his feet, because that gets you in close enough to use a knife if you have one) will be shoved down into hell. Hmmm. That could actually be kinda fun. You see, they can't kill you (if they can that's an easy way out.) so you are free.
It's like this. Here and now, a lion can kill you. Now imagine this, that there are a thousand like us, unkillable, even if we can be hurt, and we are angry.
At that point there are enough of you to rip the lion into a thousand tiny pieces, and keep it that way.
In short, people like me, you want us in the tent pissing out. You really, really wouldn't like what we would do if we were outside, pissing in.
If you find yourself in hell, look me up. I'll be the one raising an army big enough to trash the place and burn heaven.
Oct 2nd 2010, 8:56 pm
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Re: The power of prayer.
OK, let's look at this logically, because even in heaven or hell, logic has to apply.
God, if he exists, as the xtians say, then he knows everything, and is a complete bastard. Just look what he did to Job, on a bet. You don't get into heaven unless you wuv baby jeezers. So Job after being tortured for the hell of it is burning in Hell, as is Noah who was the best person on earth.
If you don't really believe, he will know, and it won't make a speck of difference whether you go into full butt kissing mode early or late.
Think about it. Do you want to be in an alleged heaven, under the all knowing eye of a divinely powerful being, who is jealous and spiteful (it says so in the bible.)? Can you imagine what that would be like? Hellish.
So everyone like me, who won't kiss arse (but I'll kneel and kiss his feet, because that gets you in close enough to use a knife if you have one) will be shoved down into hell. Hmmm. That could actually be kinda fun. You see, they can't kill you (if they can that's an easy way out.) so you are free.
It's like this. Here and now, a lion can kill you. Now imagine this, that there are a thousand like us, unkillable, even if we can be hurt, and we are angry.
At that point there are enough of you to rip the lion into a thousand tiny pieces, and keep it that way.
In short, people like me, you want us in the tent pissing out. You really, really wouldn't like what we would do if we were outside, pissing in.
If you find yourself in hell, look me up. I'll be the one raising an army big enough to trash the place and burn heaven.
God, if he exists, as the xtians say, then he knows everything, and is a complete bastard. Just look what he did to Job, on a bet. You don't get into heaven unless you wuv baby jeezers. So Job after being tortured for the hell of it is burning in Hell, as is Noah who was the best person on earth.
If you don't really believe, he will know, and it won't make a speck of difference whether you go into full butt kissing mode early or late.
Think about it. Do you want to be in an alleged heaven, under the all knowing eye of a divinely powerful being, who is jealous and spiteful (it says so in the bible.)? Can you imagine what that would be like? Hellish.
So everyone like me, who won't kiss arse (but I'll kneel and kiss his feet, because that gets you in close enough to use a knife if you have one) will be shoved down into hell. Hmmm. That could actually be kinda fun. You see, they can't kill you (if they can that's an easy way out.) so you are free.
It's like this. Here and now, a lion can kill you. Now imagine this, that there are a thousand like us, unkillable, even if we can be hurt, and we are angry.
At that point there are enough of you to rip the lion into a thousand tiny pieces, and keep it that way.
In short, people like me, you want us in the tent pissing out. You really, really wouldn't like what we would do if we were outside, pissing in.
If you find yourself in hell, look me up. I'll be the one raising an army big enough to trash the place and burn heaven.