Originally Posted by Sally Redux

So you call for them to condemn extremists but when they do, it's not good enough.

Originally Posted by stuboy

Perhaps you can enlighten us all by telling us how these leaders are appointed? Who vets them? What qualifications do you need to be a Muslim leader?

You have no idea have you?

Originally Posted by stuboy

Sadly neither you or I can attend Friday prayers and the subsequent talk so we can only guess at what is really said.

Originally Posted by stuboy

Open the doors to the Mosques. What have they to fear, let's hear the peaceful message of Islam with our own ears.

Originally Posted by rachelk

Don't you have / have you never had any Muslim friends who can tell you this?

Originally Posted by rachelk

I'm not sure what your point is*. Surely the point that ISIS is not representative of ordinary Muslims?



Don't you have / have you never had any Muslim friends who can tell you this?
Have you never been inside a Mosque? You really really beleive that all muslims support going round chopping heads off the infidels?

(FWIW I have, it all seemed very peaceful and welcoming although you could be right, maybe it's just an act for the non-muslim guests and as soon as we've gone they get the machetes out again)

* That's not true, I know exactly what point you're trying to make but I disagree 100% and think all fair minded people will also disagree.

Originally Posted by rachelk

You really really beleive that all muslims support going round chopping heads off the infidels?

Originally Posted by mikelincs

I suspect the BBC is keeping a low profile in reporting such things until there is evidence of it being an IS led incident. There have been a few reports recently of young muslims defecting to Syria, and saying that muslims should go out and create a lot more Lee Rigby incidents, and another UK woman saying she has gone to Syria in the hope of being allowed to behead a christian. There are also reports of young people going out there and findin that the life there isn't what they thought it would be, and wanting to return. I really suspect the border police here in the UK will be very suspicious of anyone coming back from there.

Originally Posted by stuboy

Just so I'm clear are you telling me that certain Mosque leaders don't spread messages of hate, don't call people to arms?

Originally Posted by stuboy

This a ridiculous thing to say.

Originally Posted by stuboy

No worries. EMR is well know for his defence of any non Christian non white entity.

The debate needs to be had and too many people avoid the issues like the plague.

Let's start with Muslim Community Leaders. Who appoints them? Who holds them to account? Who challenges them? How long do they serve?

Politicians love to be photographed with these people and have no idea what they do or say or support or endorse or cover up privately.

No-one questions or challenges the Mosque Leader. Why? Because their faith is blind.

The atrocities committed against Muslim women are far more unimaginable. Young Muslim women especially those imported from abroad for whom English is not their first language suffer in silence. What chance do they have? They have none of their own family around them, they don 't have the confidence to go to the authorities and if they do they will be ostracised at best.

Cultural sexism is the order of the day.

There are several organizations that are run by Muslim women which try very hard to address these issues but the wall of silence and the protection of the both the community leader and the Mosque leaders makes life very difficult for these women

Far too many, not all Muslim men have little or no respect for women. The Mothers of these girls are complicit. They say nothing yet they know exactly what's going on.

They know and they say nothing

The Men act with impunity

The community leaders know and say nothing

The Imans know and do nothing.

The community leaders and the Mosque leaders protect these people/ perpretrators.

Too much of what goes on behind closed doors in this community is a cancer in our society.

It reflects badly on all Muslims which we all know is certainly not the case.

There were two young men a few days ago being interviewed by a reporter who said they wanted to go and live in a Caliphate. They were both smart and well spoken. My point is this; If they want to go and live and live in a Caliphate, fine but when you get on the plane and fly to your chosen location then you must surrender your British passport.

You can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by EMR

The majority of the white native UK are as far removed from living their lives according to Christian principles as are the tiny minority of Muslims who support IS/ISL/ISIS.
Only the narrow minded equate being a white Brit with being Christian in the same way they equate being a follower of Islam as holding extreme views.

Originally Posted by EMR

The majority of the white native UK are as far removed from living their lives according to Christian principles as are the tiny minority of Muslims who support IS/ISL/ISIS.
Only the narrow minded equate being a white Brit with being Christian in the same way they equate being a follower of Islam as holding extreme views.

Originally Posted by Bipat

Agree with much that you say, but don't think it is "narrow minded", to equate the British with being Christian. I would say most try to follow basic Christian principles of peace, love your neighbour etc. Going to a church is entirely different issue (I personally don't see any of the churches as following the basic principles!!!!)

Originally Posted by Shard

Many faiths have those principles. Those are human traits which a number of religions have developed.