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Old Feb 23rd 2021, 11:26 am
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Originally Posted by Stingychips View Post
Worst comes to worst And the doors officially shut on the majority of future potential expats then there are always countries like Costa Rica and Bali. Even Portugal is a lot easier in regards to obtaining a visa. If these laws are implemented Ibiza , Tenerife , Majorca are in for a shock. When some doors shut other ones open.
Just as the UK wants to control its borders then so will others including the EU. It won't shut the doors on people it just means to live elsewhere one has to comply with different rules compared with pre 1 January 2021. Those rules are no different to what anyone from a country outwith the EU have and had to comply with. That was the reason I ensured mine and my wifes residency was in place before 31 December. To achieve that has not been easy for us or without considerable expense.
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Old Feb 23rd 2021, 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by Stingychips View Post
Worst comes to worst And the doors officially shut on the majority of future potential expats then there are always countries like Costa Rica and Bali. Even Portugal is a lot easier in regards to obtaining a visa. If these laws are implemented Ibiza , Tenerife , Majorca are in for a shock. When some doors shut other ones open.
If you are retired and don't meet the income requirements for Spain, I doubt you'll be able to move to Costa Rica or Bali if you calculate the total costs and many just wouldn't want to. Maybe places like Albania (proof of annual pension income at a minimum of Lek 1.2 million) might be more interesting and Portugal of course. I said it on the Australian forum and those plumbers/builders who were desperate for sun, will probably find it easier to get work in Australia and there will be more going there, but it's not cheap either. Retired people will just spend 3 months in Spain instead of 4 and you also have to consider that islands like Mallorca or Ibiza want to attract the wealthy resident anyway and there are enough other nations who own property there. Those who wanted to retire in Spain have also already applied for their Irish passport, so the retired couple from Belfast might move instead, especially if property is more affordable in certain parts.
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Old Feb 23rd 2021, 11:57 am
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Surprised no one has mentioned ETIAS

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-requirements/uk-citizens

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-countries/spain-etias
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Old Feb 23rd 2021, 12:13 pm
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Is ETIAS relevant to this discussion?
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Old Feb 23rd 2021, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Moses2013 View Post
If you are retired and don't meet the income requirements for Spain, I doubt you'll be able to move to Costa Rica or Bali if you calculate the total costs and many just wouldn't want to. Maybe places like Albania (proof of annual pension income at a minimum of Lek 1.2 million) might be more interesting and Portugal of course. I said it on the Australian forum and those plumbers/builders who were desperate for sun, will probably find it easier to get work in Australia and there will be more going there, but it's not cheap either. Retired people will just spend 3 months in Spain instead of 4 and you also have to consider that islands like Mallorca or Ibiza want to attract the wealthy resident anyway and there are enough other nations who own property there. Those who wanted to retire in Spain have also already applied for their Irish passport, so the retired couple from Belfast might move instead, especially if property is more affordable in certain parts.
Im talking about to the younger generations of expats that now work from home online. So we don’t really require a base in the UK anymore. Removal companies going out to Spain have noticed a lot more younger expats taking the place of the older ones due to brexit. I have friends that are working now in CR. Houses are cheap and the lifestyle looks brilliant.
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For many long term illegals the crunch will come when their UK licences expire as they won't be able to renew them with DVLA nor obtain a Spanish one.

UK licences only last up to age 70 and photocards only last for 10 years. Paper licences are also only valid to age 70 but because they do not bear a photo of their holders from Jan 1st. need to be accompanied by an IDP which can only be obtained from a UK post office and on production of the original licence.
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Old Feb 23rd 2021, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Stingychips View Post
Im talking about to the younger generations of expats that now work from home online. So we don’t really require a base in the UK anymore. Removal companies going out to Spain have noticed a lot more younger expats taking the place of the older ones due to brexit. I have friends that are working now in CR. Houses are cheap and the lifestyle looks brilliant.
Unless you are self employed it's not that easy and the tax/legal situation is very complex. It might work in some cases, but working in CR if the clients are in Western Europe would also not work for many due to time difference. We can work from home and in Spain if we want, but moving there permanently would mean a huge pay cut and not worth it.
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Old Feb 23rd 2021, 11:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Chipmonk View Post
Brits under WA do not have free movement even if they have residency in another EU country. This was made clear explicitly in the WA. You cant move from one country to another. Now I could be all high and mighty about this and say you should know this it's been published, ignorance is no excuse etc in the manner that some people are behaving here but truth is there are alot of changes to consider and we are not all perfect people.
If you have perminent residency under the WA you can apply for an EU long term visa and use that to reduce the entry requirements in the new country you want to live in (unless it's Denmark or Ireland, but Brits have the CTA in Ireland anyway). The long term visa exchanged for a residency visa in your new country.

You do start again in your new country, but I think under the WA you can go back to Spain within five years and carry on where you left off, unless being a long term resident means you lose your WA rights.

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Old Feb 26th 2021, 7:59 pm
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So next month we should start seeing undocumented expats in breach of there new 90 day visas. Will be very interesting to see what action the Spanish government take.
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Old Feb 26th 2021, 8:30 pm
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So next month we should start seeing undocumented expats in breach of there new 90 day visas. Will be very interesting to see what action the Spanish government take.
What "new 90 day visas"?
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Old Feb 26th 2021, 9:05 pm
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What "new 90 day visas"?
Stingychips probably means 90-in-180 days' stay permitted under the Schengen rules for non-visa nationals like the Brits?
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Old Feb 26th 2021, 10:06 pm
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No, he said “90” day visas. There is no such thing.
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Old Feb 26th 2021, 11:08 pm
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No, he said “90” day visas. There is no such thing.
True, but it's easy to see what he meant.
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Old Feb 27th 2021, 4:29 am
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Originally Posted by Stingychips View Post
So next month we should start seeing undocumented expats in breach of there new 90 day visas. Will be very interesting to see what action the Spanish government take.
As and when they come to attention of authorities, I expect those living under the radar, will be treated exactly the same as any other illegal immigrant.
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Old Feb 27th 2021, 9:49 am
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This is a clear explanation of what consequences may apply.
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...y%20ban%20too.
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