NIE number query
Aug 4th 2011, 3:19 pm
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Re: NIE number query
Obviously the landlords name will be the same as the owners name etc. etc.
Aug 4th 2011, 3:20 pm
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Re: NIE number query
just go together - the other person just has to confirm that you live together
Aug 4th 2011, 3:22 pm
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Re: NIE number query
OK. Now I see the issue. We had that situation and had to change the agreement to mention both parties so that they could both be on the padron and either one (or both) apply for assistance.
Aug 4th 2011, 3:29 pm
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Re: NIE number query
thank you both, so the padron isn't impossible
Aug 4th 2011, 5:03 pm
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Re: NIE number query
However, if anyone does find out that you have committed fraud (not informed them that you are now resident - a tax issue), then the police/hacienda have the power to close your accounts instantly! This may cause some grief!
Why not declare that you are resident? The benefits far out weigh the <opposite of benefits>. Tax is less here (or can be), succession tax (IHT by any other name) can be much, much less for residents and you may even be able to avoid IHT in UK.
Presumably, as a non-resident (not having NIE) then you are not tax resident either!!! Again illegal!
Also, don't you need an NIE first to get on the padron? I know some councils require it this way 'round.
Why not declare that you are resident? The benefits far out weigh the <opposite of benefits>. Tax is less here (or can be), succession tax (IHT by any other name) can be much, much less for residents and you may even be able to avoid IHT in UK.
Presumably, as a non-resident (not having NIE) then you are not tax resident either!!! Again illegal!
Also, don't you need an NIE first to get on the padron? I know some councils require it this way 'round.
If you intend to be Resident then you use EX16/18 and get the "Residencia" this does not make you "Tax Resident" that occurs automatically after 183 days in Spain. Beware that if you are non-resident and open a non-resident account you will be charges about €30 per year for the bank to certify that you are non-resident to the national police so the conversion to resident account should save you money as soon as you have Residencia.
Aug 4th 2011, 6:40 pm
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Re: NIE number query
There are several different catergories here. You can be a non-resident and get an NIE we have been for 6 years. For the initial NIE you just use EX14 and you just get NIE.
If you intend to be Resident then you use EX16/18 and get the "Residencia" this does not make you "Tax Resident" that occurs automatically after 183 days in Spain. Beware that if you are non-resident and open a non-resident account you will be charges about €30 per year for the bank to certify that you are non-resident to the national police so the conversion to resident account should save you money as soon as you have Residencia.
If you intend to be Resident then you use EX16/18 and get the "Residencia" this does not make you "Tax Resident" that occurs automatically after 183 days in Spain. Beware that if you are non-resident and open a non-resident account you will be charges about €30 per year for the bank to certify that you are non-resident to the national police so the conversion to resident account should save you money as soon as you have Residencia.
Aug 4th 2011, 6:52 pm
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Re: NIE number query
there was a post here the other day that said it was now a EX18, as of july 1st - but the EX16 was accepted in Benidorm last week
Aug 4th 2011, 6:57 pm
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Re: NIE number query
but the EX-00 I printed off says
Extranjeros
Solicitud de autorizacion de residencia
In a country of forms which form is right?
Aug 4th 2011, 7:00 pm
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Re: NIE number query
The difference between your rights as a permanent resident and a less than 5 year resident are marginal to say the least. If you spend hours going through the EU directive on residency you will get a prize if you can spot the difference!
Aug 4th 2011, 7:06 pm
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Re: NIE number query
No, it's five years as a resident before they issue a certificate giving you the right of permanent residence. The wording is slightly different.
The difference between your rights as a permanent resident and a less than 5 year resident are marginal to say the least. If you spend hours going through the EU directive on residency you will get a prize if you can spot the difference!
The difference between your rights as a permanent resident and a less than 5 year resident are marginal to say the least. If you spend hours going through the EU directive on residency you will get a prize if you can spot the difference!
Aug 4th 2011, 7:46 pm
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Re: NIE number query
If you find any differences and we need to change our pre prepared (for our pre-booked Residencia appointment) do post again.
That was sneaky Fed my post is nonsense now.
That was sneaky Fed my post is nonsense now.
Last edited by EsuriJohn; Aug 4th 2011 at 7:49 pm.
Aug 4th 2011, 8:43 pm
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Re: NIE number query
Looking at the original post about the "new" procedure it seems that the link given leads to an article which shows an incorrect link to the "new" form which is given as EX-00. This is a mistake as EX-00 is an old form only relevant to non EU people applying for residence.
The other form described - EX-18 does seem to be a new version of EX-16 which is for EU citizens wishing to sign onto the database of EU foreigners residing (for more than 90 days) in Spain.
As it appears that the new for is the same as the old form in terms of content I can see why both may be acceptable for the time being.
I hope that clears up the confusion.
I really do wish that these Internet "newspapers" would get their facts, and their links, right.
The correct link for the new EX18 form is
http://extranjeros.mtin.es/es/Modelo...omunitaria.pdf
The other form described - EX-18 does seem to be a new version of EX-16 which is for EU citizens wishing to sign onto the database of EU foreigners residing (for more than 90 days) in Spain.
As it appears that the new for is the same as the old form in terms of content I can see why both may be acceptable for the time being.
I hope that clears up the confusion.
I really do wish that these Internet "newspapers" would get their facts, and their links, right.
The correct link for the new EX18 form is
http://extranjeros.mtin.es/es/Modelo...omunitaria.pdf
Last edited by Fred James; Aug 5th 2011 at 6:41 am. Reason: Added link to download form EX18.
Aug 4th 2011, 9:17 pm
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Re: NIE number query
Looking at the original post about the "new" procedure it seems that the link given leads to an article which shows an incorrect link to the "new" form which is given as EX-00. This is a mistake as EX-00 is an old form only relevant to non EU people applying for residence.
The other form described - EX-18 does seem to be a new version of EX-16 which is for EU citizens wishing to sign onto the database of EU foreigners residing (for more than 90 days) in Spain.
As it appears that the new for is the same as the old form in terms of content I can see why both may be acceptable for the time being.
I hope that clears up the confusion.
I really do wish that these Internet "newspapers" would get their facts, and their links, right.
The other form described - EX-18 does seem to be a new version of EX-16 which is for EU citizens wishing to sign onto the database of EU foreigners residing (for more than 90 days) in Spain.
As it appears that the new for is the same as the old form in terms of content I can see why both may be acceptable for the time being.
I hope that clears up the confusion.
I really do wish that these Internet "newspapers" would get their facts, and their links, right.
S*d it, who wants to be registered in Spain anyway!
Especially after sharing a bottle of good Spanish red and now onto the rum punch.
We are going to enjoy Spain when we get there.
Just to explain we're demob happy, niether of us has to go back to work until monday. Only another 59 weeks to go.
Last edited by Library Ticket; Aug 4th 2011 at 10:40 pm.
Aug 4th 2011, 11:16 pm
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Re: NIE number query
Isn't it funny how a few drinks makes you hungry?
I have just had to make double egg chips and bread and butter.
Unfortunately a very rare occurence these days but still as yummy !!!
Steve the sober one tonight lol
I have just had to make double egg chips and bread and butter.
Unfortunately a very rare occurence these days but still as yummy !!!
Steve the sober one tonight lol
Last edited by stevesainty; Aug 4th 2011 at 11:17 pm. Reason: forgot to say which one was posting
Aug 5th 2011, 6:13 am
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Re: NIE number query
If you need a NIE and do not know how to go about it, the answer is to pay a lawyer to do it for you.
No hassle, no queuing, no problem.
No hassle, no queuing, no problem.