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Casa Santo Estevo Jun 3rd 2009 11:25 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by pete_l (Post 7632705)
That's (hopefully) one of the easier things. The VAT Return form contains a line for VAT reclaimed for goods purchased in other EU countries. ---- Once you are VAT registered, of course!

But have you tried to do it? Our experience is a bit different when try this... that is why we asked the question.

Sharon B Jun 3rd 2009 11:38 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Casa Santo Estevo (Post 7633126)
But have you tried to do it? Our experience is a bit different when try this... that is why we asked the question.

If you own a business or are autonomo (ie VAT registered) is it not easier to not pay the VAT in the first place when you are purchasing form an EU state?:confused:

Rotor Jun 4th 2009 1:45 am

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Sharon B (Post 7633176)
If you own a business or are autonomo (ie VAT registered) is it not easier to not pay the VAT in the first place when you are purchasing form an EU state?:confused:

If you do this you cant claim it back in Spain so you will be 15-19% worse off , the difference between going broke and not,
to see if you NIE is on the european register of VAT registered people/business`s go to:

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do

You may find even if you are IVA registered in Spain your number will show as invalid so if you want to import you need to speak to the hacienda.

Rgds

Rotor

Casa Santo Estevo Jun 4th 2009 8:02 am

Re: New life in Spain
 
We think it is not so easy to claim back IVA as others seem to imply. Thanks for the link rotor.

Sharon B Jun 4th 2009 9:17 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 7633567)
If you do this you cant claim it back in Spain so you will be 15-19% worse off , the difference between going broke and not,
to see if you NIE is on the european register of VAT registered people/business`s go to:

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do

You may find even if you are IVA registered in Spain your number will show as invalid so if you want to import you need to speak to the hacienda.

Rgds

Rotor

I know this is going off topic but I am having a slow start this morning.:confused: I have been trading woth EU states and I am IVA registered so I do not pay the VAT at the point of purchase. So if I am not paying VAT and therefore not claiming it back. How am I worse off?

savateur Jun 5th 2009 6:11 am

Re: New life in Spain
 
Thanks for all the replie's,sorry for not replying sooner had a medical prob to deal with :eek:

Starting to think I may go with a combination of two idea's outlined above, ie, start out on the internet, in the UK, selling higher end foodstuff's, along with better quality lead's etc. Hopefully that will go well, and we will be in a better to move to Spain. :)

Def need to work on my Spanish first, though, don't feel I would have been able to explain myself to a Spanish medical proffessional, and this situation bought home the need for a strong base in the language, BEFORE, making any move !

Thank you very much for all your help and advice, wart's and all. :)

livit Jun 5th 2009 7:24 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by savateur (Post 7638126)
start out on the internet, in the UK, selling higher end foodstuff's, along with better quality lead's etc. Hopefully that will go well, and we will be in a better to move to Spain. :)

Using the internet would probably be a waste of time.

Trying to get your web page at the top of google search pages will probably be a challenge in that market.

I just googled "pet supplies UK" got 1,7200,000 hits.Many people choose a supplier from the first or second page.

Having an internet presence is a start, but it usually backs up advertising, being reliant on only an internet page will result in you waiting around for nothing.

I would try a market stall first, that way you can also hand out leaflets with your web address on it.


Def need to work on my Spanish first, though, don't feel I would have been able to explain myself to a Spanish medical proffessional, and this situation bought home the need for a strong base in the language, BEFORE, making any move !
, wart's and all. :)
Most people only realise that Spanish diallect changes around Spain greatly.

When I took Spanish lessons, the teacher played us tapes of conversations around Spain, none of us could translate any of them, the only one we managed was from Madrid area.

We were fluent speakers at that point.After 15 years I still struggle with certain ones.Thats when living in the country helps.

Once you`ve got a good grasp of the lingo, then you arrive in Spain, all prepared and the first really Spanish conversation you have, you can`t understand a bloody thing.

Thats mainly due to the fact you learn`t at a fluent steady pace, but the locals speak a thousand times faster and you find your translating a word in your head that the person said 3,000 words or 2 seconds earlier.

bil Jun 7th 2009 11:45 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by livit (Post 7639319)


Most people only realise that Spanish diallect changes around Spain greatly.

When I took Spanish lessons, the teacher played us tapes of conversations around Spain, none of us could translate any of them, the only one we managed was from Madrid area.

We were fluent speakers at that point.After 15 years I still struggle with certain ones.Thats when living in the country helps.

Once you`ve got a good grasp of the lingo, then you arrive in Spain, all prepared and the first really Spanish conversation you have, you can`t understand a bloody thing.

Thats mainly due to the fact you learn`t at a fluent steady pace, but the locals speak a thousand times faster and you find your translating a word in your head that the person said 3,000 words or 2 seconds earlier.


Yeah, ain't that the truth?

I can get by, but my two nearest neighbours... I cannot understand a word, most of the time.

I have a hypothesis about language. Just as your brain can't function fast enough to process all the visuals of a ball thrown towards you, but just makes s a 'best guess' scenario, your brain also makes best guesses as to what is going to be said next.

Fred James Jun 8th 2009 12:09 am

Re: New life in Spain
 
It's not just us foreigners who have the problem.

The lady who runs our local viveros is from Leon. She says she often has problems understanding the locals who speak the Andalucian dialect.

livit Jun 8th 2009 1:04 am

Re: New life in Spain
 
I find South American, Mexican Spanish much easier.

It tends to be clear, compared to Spanish mainland.

Andaluz, i don`t think even Andalucians understand there dialect.:(:rofl:

Fred James Jun 8th 2009 1:42 am

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by livit (Post 7644985)
Andaluz, i don`t think even Andalucians understand there dialect.:(:rofl:


Actually it's quite easy speak it.

You just knock letters off the end of the word until it becomes unintelligible!

lynnxa Jun 8th 2009 1:46 am

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 7645081)
Actually it's quite easy speak it.

You just knock letters off the end of the word until it becomes unintelligible!

better still completely forget consonants!!

fionamw Jun 8th 2009 7:35 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by livit (Post 7644985)
I find South American, Mexican Spanish much easier.

It tends to be clear, compared to Spanish mainland.

Andaluz, i don`t think even Andalucians understand there dialect.:(:rofl:


Not to mention that dialects vary between villages - my neighbour explained that Comares, Riogordo and Colmenar - maybe 10k each way between each of them - all speak slightly differently:eek:

pete_l Jun 8th 2009 7:43 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 7647391)
Not to mention that dialects vary between villages - my neighbour explained that Comares, Riogordo and Colmenar - maybe 10k each way between each of them - all speak slightly differently:eek:

But exactly the same thing happens in the UK - f'rinstance different parts of Liverpool have different accents. Locals from Sunderland speak different from those brought up in Newcastle - just a few miles away. North and South London (well, if you can find any locally born/brought up residents), too.

livit Jun 8th 2009 8:03 pm

Re: New life in Spain
 

Originally Posted by pete_l (Post 7647413)
But exactly the same thing happens in the UK - f'rinstance different parts of Liverpool have different accents. Locals from Sunderland speak different from those brought up in Newcastle - just a few miles away. North and South London (well, if you can find any locally born/brought up residents), too.

Similar.

But its worse in Spain.


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