Moving to Spain from the UK advice please 😁
Apr 3rd 2021, 9:35 am
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Re: Importing a pickup to Spain
Don't know why you'd want to buy a pick up unless you have a special deal on one rather than a van if you are only transporting some personal stuff.
Nevertheless, don't know why you want to buy a vehicle just to transport your belongings.
Don't know why you don't use a 'man with a van' which would work out a lot cheaper that buying a vehicle you may not be able to register in Spain never mind the extra costs of having to do so.
Don't know why you want to buy in the UK anyway as opposed to Spain when you will be living there with all the necessary changes in documentation and adding to it by trying to convert a UK vehicle.
Don't know why you don't get your good transported if you need to by one of the many companies doing it (as you can't get that much in the back of a pick up anyway and it is insecure as well) and buy a smaller normal car in Spain.
Nevertheless, don't know why you want to buy a vehicle just to transport your belongings.
Don't know why you don't use a 'man with a van' which would work out a lot cheaper that buying a vehicle you may not be able to register in Spain never mind the extra costs of having to do so.
Don't know why you want to buy in the UK anyway as opposed to Spain when you will be living there with all the necessary changes in documentation and adding to it by trying to convert a UK vehicle.
Don't know why you don't get your good transported if you need to by one of the many companies doing it (as you can't get that much in the back of a pick up anyway and it is insecure as well) and buy a smaller normal car in Spain.
We have a dog that we are bringing over with us and cannot think of another way to do so
as for the pickup We could probably take most things as leaving the furniture behind
hence my post on here for advice
We would also use the pickup for work once we're there
Might be an idea for me to find a lhd one over here maybe....
Apr 3rd 2021, 9:36 am
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Re: Importing a pickup to Spain
Apr 3rd 2021, 9:37 am
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Apr 3rd 2021, 10:28 am
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Re: Importing a pickup to Spain
Yes, to bring with you as your goods and chattels, you must have owned it for a year; so if you buy an old vintage car to "do up" in your retirement, it cannot legally be part of your goods and chattels and a "First registration tax / commonly called an import duty" (in Spain) is payable (as I understand the rules).
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Apr 3rd 2021, 11:42 am
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Wouldn't it be simpler to buy a LHD pickup in Spain, register it, then drive back to the UK to pick up whatever you wanted to transport.
Apr 3rd 2021, 12:13 pm
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Re: Importing a pickup to Spain
But according to Spain (the place you want to be)Driving licence exchange is already sorted and its aint going to happen. (they MAY at some later date be an exchange scheme) as Spain already has on with many other countries. But I would not be moving here hoping thats going to happen anytime soon.
Also once your six months is up, you cannot legally continue to drive.
Basically on the 1st of Jan 2021. The EU removed the UK from the permit validation scheme, so Spain (or other eu countries) could not check your Uk licence and wont accept it.
Also as others have said, you need to have owned any vehicle you buy for the appropriate amount of time and then it becomes part of your goods and chattels.
Suppose you could bring a Uk one over and then flog it on to an overstayer to move back to the UK..
This is the translation of a letter from the DGT .In relation to your request for information on the exchange or renewal of driving licenses issued in the United Kingdom, we inform you that, as indicated in your letter, we are currently in a transitional period for the definitive departure from the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland of the European Union so it will only be possible to exchange, replace or renew the British driving license if it is done before December 31, 2020. As established in article 7 of Royal Decree 818/2009, of 8 of May, which approves the General Regulations for Drivers, one of the requirements to obtain a driving license (either by examination or by exchange) is, in the case of foreigners, to prove the situation of normal residence or stay for studies in Spain of at least six months. In the second additional provision of the same Regulation, normal residence is defined as the place where a person habitually stays, that is, for at least one hundred and eighty-five days for each calendar year.
In the case of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, it has been established in the fourth instruction of the Resolution of July 2, 2020, of the Undersecretariat, by which the joint Instruction of the General Directorate of Migration and the General Directorate of the Police is published, which determines the procedure for issuing the residence document provided for in article 18.4 of the Withdrawal Agreement of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community , that:
“1. Nationals of the United Kingdom residing in Spain in accordance with the conditions established in the Agreement may request, in accordance with the provisions of article 18.4 thereof, the issuance of a residence document.
2. Applications may be submitted, in accordance with the third instruction, as of July 6. ”
Due to the urgency to regularize the residence of these citizens, their processing is being prioritized both by the Immigration Office of the Government Sub-delegations at the time of the resolution of the residence authorization and by the Immigration Offices of the National Police at the time of issuance of the TIE.
As these citizens have a reduced time to obtain the TIE, it is the criterion of this Deputy Sub-Directorate to admit as documentation proving normal residence, a mandatory requirement for the processing of the exchange of a British driving license to a national one, the following:
– Foreigner Identity Card (TIE) or
– Resolution of Authorization of the temporary or permanent residence issued by the Offices of foreigners of the Sub-delegations of the Government or
– Receipt of Application or Renewal of Foreigner Card issued by the General Commissariat for Immigration and Borders since it is the step after the residence resolution and in said receipt the validity of the residence and the type of residence granted are reflected.
Both the Residence Authorization Resolution and the Foreigner Card Application or Renewal Receipt must indicate that the granted residence has a minimum validity period of 185 days (normal residence).
If the citizen presents the TIE, he will be proving both normal residence and identity, in the case of presenting the Residence Authorization Resolution or the Request or Renewal of Foreigner Card, he will only be proving normal residence, so to prove identity must present identification document such as passport.
Regarding the impossibility of requesting an appointment, it is reported that the request for the exchange of the driving license will be operational soon through a form on the electronic website of the DGT. (finished late 2020)***
It is necessary for people interested in the exchange to fill out and present the form before December 25 since the permit must be verified with the United Kingdom before January 1, at which time the European network for verification of permits (RESPER) for verifications with the UK will no longer be operational.
The important thing is that presentation. Once received by DGT, the permit will be verified and if there is a problem they will contact the interested party to try to solve it so they should not wait until the last moment. Permits that are not verified before December 31 cannot be exchanged.
After submitting the form, they must make an appointment to complete the procedure at the headquarters indicated on the form. We know about the difficulties in obtaining appointments, but we hope to enable them soon. That appointment may be after December 31, no problem. The important thing is the presentation of the form and that the verification of the permit is carried out before that date.
In any case, only those British driving licenses that, as of December 31, have been verified with the issuing country (United Kingdom) and that meet all the requirements for their processing, including normal residence on the date on which they are issued, will be exchanged. The supporting documentation must be presented the day they go to the appointment at the traffic headquarters.
We would also like to remind you that as established in article 21 of the General Driver Regulations, driving licenses issued in third countries are valid for driving in Spain, provided they are in force and their holder is of the required age in Spain for the obtaining an equivalent Spanish permit, during the first six months after the holder acquires his normal residence in Spain or, failing that, six months after entering Spanish territory in a regular situation (so as non-resident).
Therefore, as of January 1, 2021 (date of the final departure of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland from the European Union), holders of driving licenses issued by the United Kingdom will have these periods to be able to drive on our national territory with their British driving permit. Further note: after the 6 months, unless a convenio will be in place between Spain and the UK that will enable the exchange/’canje’ of UK driving licences for a Spanish driving permit, the only way to continue to drive in Spain legally would be to obtain a Spanish driving permit through a driving school, taking classes and both theory and practice exams.
Greetings,
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DEPUTY DEPARTMENT OF TRAFFIC EDUCATION
Apr 3rd 2021, 1:04 pm
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Re: Importing a pickup to Spain
There are lots of slightly misleading info on the .gov site. Id stick to advice from Spanish sites and if Ive learnt one thing from being here, its to carry a large bag of salt with you
But according to Spain (the place you want to be)Driving licence exchange is already sorted and its aint going to happen. (they MAY at some later date be an exchange scheme) as Spain already has on with many other countries. But I would not be moving here hoping thats going to happen anytime soon.
Also once your six months is up, you cannot legally continue to drive.
Basically on the 1st of Jan 2021. The EU removed the UK from the permit validation scheme, so Spain (or other eu countries) could not check your Uk licence and wont accept it.
Also as others have said, you need to have owned any vehicle you buy for the appropriate amount of time and then it becomes part of your goods and chattels.
Suppose you could bring a Uk one over and then flog it on to an overstayer to move back to the UK..
This is the translation of a letter from the DGT .In relation to your request for information on the exchange or renewal of driving licenses issued in the United Kingdom, we inform you that, as indicated in your letter, we are currently in a transitional period for the definitive departure from the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland of the European Union so it will only be possible to exchange, replace or renew the British driving license if it is done before December 31, 2020. As established in article 7 of Royal Decree 818/2009, of 8 of May, which approves the General Regulations for Drivers, one of the requirements to obtain a driving license (either by examination or by exchange) is, in the case of foreigners, to prove the situation of normal residence or stay for studies in Spain of at least six months. In the second additional provision of the same Regulation, normal residence is defined as the place where a person habitually stays, that is, for at least one hundred and eighty-five days for each calendar year.
In the case of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, it has been established in the fourth instruction of the Resolution of July 2, 2020, of the Undersecretariat, by which the joint Instruction of the General Directorate of Migration and the General Directorate of the Police is published, which determines the procedure for issuing the residence document provided for in article 18.4 of the Withdrawal Agreement of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community , that:
“1. Nationals of the United Kingdom residing in Spain in accordance with the conditions established in the Agreement may request, in accordance with the provisions of article 18.4 thereof, the issuance of a residence document.
2. Applications may be submitted, in accordance with the third instruction, as of July 6. ”
Due to the urgency to regularize the residence of these citizens, their processing is being prioritized both by the Immigration Office of the Government Sub-delegations at the time of the resolution of the residence authorization and by the Immigration Offices of the National Police at the time of issuance of the TIE.
As these citizens have a reduced time to obtain the TIE, it is the criterion of this Deputy Sub-Directorate to admit as documentation proving normal residence, a mandatory requirement for the processing of the exchange of a British driving license to a national one, the following:
– Foreigner Identity Card (TIE) or
– Resolution of Authorization of the temporary or permanent residence issued by the Offices of foreigners of the Sub-delegations of the Government or
– Receipt of Application or Renewal of Foreigner Card issued by the General Commissariat for Immigration and Borders since it is the step after the residence resolution and in said receipt the validity of the residence and the type of residence granted are reflected.
Both the Residence Authorization Resolution and the Foreigner Card Application or Renewal Receipt must indicate that the granted residence has a minimum validity period of 185 days (normal residence).
If the citizen presents the TIE, he will be proving both normal residence and identity, in the case of presenting the Residence Authorization Resolution or the Request or Renewal of Foreigner Card, he will only be proving normal residence, so to prove identity must present identification document such as passport.
Regarding the impossibility of requesting an appointment, it is reported that the request for the exchange of the driving license will be operational soon through a form on the electronic website of the DGT. (finished late 2020)***
It is necessary for people interested in the exchange to fill out and present the form before December 25 since the permit must be verified with the United Kingdom before January 1, at which time the European network for verification of permits (RESPER) for verifications with the UK will no longer be operational.
The important thing is that presentation. Once received by DGT, the permit will be verified and if there is a problem they will contact the interested party to try to solve it so they should not wait until the last moment. Permits that are not verified before December 31 cannot be exchanged.
After submitting the form, they must make an appointment to complete the procedure at the headquarters indicated on the form. We know about the difficulties in obtaining appointments, but we hope to enable them soon. That appointment may be after December 31, no problem. The important thing is the presentation of the form and that the verification of the permit is carried out before that date.
In any case, only those British driving licenses that, as of December 31, have been verified with the issuing country (United Kingdom) and that meet all the requirements for their processing, including normal residence on the date on which they are issued, will be exchanged. The supporting documentation must be presented the day they go to the appointment at the traffic headquarters.
We would also like to remind you that as established in article 21 of the General Driver Regulations, driving licenses issued in third countries are valid for driving in Spain, provided they are in force and their holder is of the required age in Spain for the obtaining an equivalent Spanish permit, during the first six months after the holder acquires his normal residence in Spain or, failing that, six months after entering Spanish territory in a regular situation (so as non-resident).
Therefore, as of January 1, 2021 (date of the final departure of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland from the European Union), holders of driving licenses issued by the United Kingdom will have these periods to be able to drive on our national territory with their British driving permit. Further note: after the 6 months, unless a convenio will be in place between Spain and the UK that will enable the exchange/’canje’ of UK driving licences for a Spanish driving permit, the only way to continue to drive in Spain legally would be to obtain a Spanish driving permit through a driving school, taking classes and both theory and practice exams.
Greetings,
–
DEPUTY DEPARTMENT OF TRAFFIC EDUCATION
But according to Spain (the place you want to be)Driving licence exchange is already sorted and its aint going to happen. (they MAY at some later date be an exchange scheme) as Spain already has on with many other countries. But I would not be moving here hoping thats going to happen anytime soon.
Also once your six months is up, you cannot legally continue to drive.
Basically on the 1st of Jan 2021. The EU removed the UK from the permit validation scheme, so Spain (or other eu countries) could not check your Uk licence and wont accept it.
Also as others have said, you need to have owned any vehicle you buy for the appropriate amount of time and then it becomes part of your goods and chattels.
Suppose you could bring a Uk one over and then flog it on to an overstayer to move back to the UK..
This is the translation of a letter from the DGT .In relation to your request for information on the exchange or renewal of driving licenses issued in the United Kingdom, we inform you that, as indicated in your letter, we are currently in a transitional period for the definitive departure from the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland of the European Union so it will only be possible to exchange, replace or renew the British driving license if it is done before December 31, 2020. As established in article 7 of Royal Decree 818/2009, of 8 of May, which approves the General Regulations for Drivers, one of the requirements to obtain a driving license (either by examination or by exchange) is, in the case of foreigners, to prove the situation of normal residence or stay for studies in Spain of at least six months. In the second additional provision of the same Regulation, normal residence is defined as the place where a person habitually stays, that is, for at least one hundred and eighty-five days for each calendar year.
In the case of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, it has been established in the fourth instruction of the Resolution of July 2, 2020, of the Undersecretariat, by which the joint Instruction of the General Directorate of Migration and the General Directorate of the Police is published, which determines the procedure for issuing the residence document provided for in article 18.4 of the Withdrawal Agreement of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community , that:
“1. Nationals of the United Kingdom residing in Spain in accordance with the conditions established in the Agreement may request, in accordance with the provisions of article 18.4 thereof, the issuance of a residence document.
2. Applications may be submitted, in accordance with the third instruction, as of July 6. ”
Due to the urgency to regularize the residence of these citizens, their processing is being prioritized both by the Immigration Office of the Government Sub-delegations at the time of the resolution of the residence authorization and by the Immigration Offices of the National Police at the time of issuance of the TIE.
As these citizens have a reduced time to obtain the TIE, it is the criterion of this Deputy Sub-Directorate to admit as documentation proving normal residence, a mandatory requirement for the processing of the exchange of a British driving license to a national one, the following:
– Foreigner Identity Card (TIE) or
– Resolution of Authorization of the temporary or permanent residence issued by the Offices of foreigners of the Sub-delegations of the Government or
– Receipt of Application or Renewal of Foreigner Card issued by the General Commissariat for Immigration and Borders since it is the step after the residence resolution and in said receipt the validity of the residence and the type of residence granted are reflected.
Both the Residence Authorization Resolution and the Foreigner Card Application or Renewal Receipt must indicate that the granted residence has a minimum validity period of 185 days (normal residence).
If the citizen presents the TIE, he will be proving both normal residence and identity, in the case of presenting the Residence Authorization Resolution or the Request or Renewal of Foreigner Card, he will only be proving normal residence, so to prove identity must present identification document such as passport.
Regarding the impossibility of requesting an appointment, it is reported that the request for the exchange of the driving license will be operational soon through a form on the electronic website of the DGT. (finished late 2020)***
It is necessary for people interested in the exchange to fill out and present the form before December 25 since the permit must be verified with the United Kingdom before January 1, at which time the European network for verification of permits (RESPER) for verifications with the UK will no longer be operational.
The important thing is that presentation. Once received by DGT, the permit will be verified and if there is a problem they will contact the interested party to try to solve it so they should not wait until the last moment. Permits that are not verified before December 31 cannot be exchanged.
After submitting the form, they must make an appointment to complete the procedure at the headquarters indicated on the form. We know about the difficulties in obtaining appointments, but we hope to enable them soon. That appointment may be after December 31, no problem. The important thing is the presentation of the form and that the verification of the permit is carried out before that date.
In any case, only those British driving licenses that, as of December 31, have been verified with the issuing country (United Kingdom) and that meet all the requirements for their processing, including normal residence on the date on which they are issued, will be exchanged. The supporting documentation must be presented the day they go to the appointment at the traffic headquarters.
We would also like to remind you that as established in article 21 of the General Driver Regulations, driving licenses issued in third countries are valid for driving in Spain, provided they are in force and their holder is of the required age in Spain for the obtaining an equivalent Spanish permit, during the first six months after the holder acquires his normal residence in Spain or, failing that, six months after entering Spanish territory in a regular situation (so as non-resident).
Therefore, as of January 1, 2021 (date of the final departure of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland from the European Union), holders of driving licenses issued by the United Kingdom will have these periods to be able to drive on our national territory with their British driving permit. Further note: after the 6 months, unless a convenio will be in place between Spain and the UK that will enable the exchange/’canje’ of UK driving licences for a Spanish driving permit, the only way to continue to drive in Spain legally would be to obtain a Spanish driving permit through a driving school, taking classes and both theory and practice exams.
Greetings,
–
DEPUTY DEPARTMENT OF TRAFFIC EDUCATION
Thanks barrie
Apr 3rd 2021, 1:11 pm
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Re: Importing a pickup to Spain
I've tried looking into it
But not sure how it would work for the following reasons.
1 we have a dog here that we are taking with us so would be ideal to all go down at the same time with our belongings in the rhd pickup.
2 if I were to fly to Spain and leave the Mrs and the dog here, how would I be able to buy the pickup in Spain if I'm not registered there, have no residency there and with a British drivers licence. Not to mention the insurance. I'm guessing it would be the same if a Spanish person came to the UK. They wouldn't be able buy nor insure a vehicle in the UK.
Or is it different in Spain?
Apr 3rd 2021, 1:13 pm
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Re: Importing a pickup to Spain
Hola
Yes, to bring with you as your goods and chattels, you must have owned it for a year; so if you buy an old vintage car to "do up" in your retirement, it cannot legally be part of your goods and chattels and a "First registration tax / commonly called an import duty" (in Spain) is payable (as I understand the rules).
Davexf
Yes, to bring with you as your goods and chattels, you must have owned it for a year; so if you buy an old vintage car to "do up" in your retirement, it cannot legally be part of your goods and chattels and a "First registration tax / commonly called an import duty" (in Spain) is payable (as I understand the rules).
Davexf
Wasn't aware of that....
Do you have a rough idea what the costs and tax implications would be then for a pickup that's hoping to cost me, say £15k?
Im really struggling now with how to bring my possessions and the dog down without costing me a fortune....
Apr 3rd 2021, 1:31 pm
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Re: Moving to Spain from the UK advice please 😁
I suspect that he was replying thinking you were British, and only had British Nationality, then the comments made would certainly apply. This site is called 'British Expats' and, without being told something different it is fairly normal to assume that posters are British unless they tell us otherwise. In the situation British people find themselves now after Brexit we are expecting many people not to realise that things have changed and moving to any EU country is considerably more difficult.
My bad sorry
I was mainly after info on how to bring a pickup over
Costs etc
And also on what to do to register myself there
Nie, change of number plates, drivers licence etc
Apr 3rd 2021, 2:18 pm
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