Originally Posted by VFR (Post 12943272)

This is Matthew Hancock announcing the “milestone” of an MHRA approved “vaccine” to the House of Commons yesterday. He reiterated his promise that “no vaccine will be used until its safety and effectiveness have been clearly established”. He added that the Pfizer formulation had been “subjected to the closest scrutiny of the MHRA” and been given “a clinical authorisation”. “This,” he stated baldly, “is a vaccine we can all believe in”. He finally bragged that “this is the first vaccine in the world to have achieved regulatory approval for use against Covid19”.

Mr Hancock lied to the House. He further lied to BBCNews viewers earlier in the day, as he told them, “when this vaccine is rolled out, things will get better and we will all return to normality and the things we love”. He doesn’t know that – he cannot know that – and this is emphatically not what the MHRA Pfizer decision says.


The above is from here & may be of interest .......................https://therealslog.com/2020/12/03/e...fizer-vaccine/

Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 12943175)

What do people keen to be vaccinated believe the vaccine will bestow on them and the community and for how long?

Originally Posted by tebo53 (Post 12943293)

Thank for that VFR. I don't believe that they can say everything is safe about that vaccine when it's not been tested at all. Give it to the aged 80's and over and kill all those off first.....

Steve

Originally Posted by missile (Post 12943304)

I get the flu vaccine every year many do not.
I expect covid vaccine will have similar risks and afford similar protection.

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12943327)

So do I and we have also had the Pneumonia jab.

Its worth noting that the flu jab is only about 50% effective, less in some cases, so a new vaccine with 95% effectiveness really is a breakthrough.

Originally Posted by johnnyone (Post 12943336)

On balance I will get vaccinated but I do understand peoples fears. How can any long term effects be known where no long term statistics exist?
I shall probably wait for the Oxford vaccine as that seems to be a development of the tested and proven flu vaccine that I have.

Originally Posted by tebo53 (Post 12943343)

I've just seen on the TV that a survey has been done amongst the UK population and it seems that around 35% will not be taking the offer of the vaccine.

Steve

Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 12943143)

Should those who do decide to be vaccinated get a certificate to say they have had it, and subsequently be exempt from whatever restrictions have to remain in place until a sufficiently large proportion of the population have had either the virus or the vaccine, do you think? I am inclined to think so.

Originally Posted by Chipmonk (Post 12943107)

I dont think this figure will be any different in other European countries. We live in a time where the truth of the information we receive can only be verified by putting in effort. In the pre-virtual, post war era trust was basically all you had if you weren't to be labelled a communist or mad
Since then the nature of truth became wobbly but essentially held together by a bond of honesty which still prevailed amongst politicians and media moguls. In the last few years the rise of populism has put paid to that. Lying is seen as an acceptable political tool if it sustains what are seen as necessary goals. Trump lies, Cummings lied, Johnson and Farage lie. For these people it worked ( well maybe not now forTrump). People simply do not trust authority anymore. Add in the context of fiction which also contributes to our world understanding. Our constant diet of TV and films where the need to be entertained forces writers to adjust facts ( The Crown, Braveheart,The Imitation Game) and you have a perfect storm for the coming scepticism and cynicism which will mark the next decade

Originally Posted by tebo53 (Post 12943117)

I know quite a few British people, me included, who will refuse the vaccine until it has been tested thoroughly, say at least one year. If all the politicians were willing to have it done first then I might reconsider.