Living in Spain - the good things!
#185
Re: Living in Spain - the good things!
some reasons to move to Spain
Courgettes at 69p a Kilo. Sharon fruit (in season) for not much more.
(endless list of cheap seasonal fresh fruit and veg. Those were just the first two I thought of)
A meal in our local bar for 4 people including drinks £20 euros
(There will be members of this group who will disbelieve this)
Council tax (here) of around 100 euros a year,
the best coffee I've ever tasted.
The best neighbours I've ever known
Beautiful weather (usually)
No I'm not saying where. But not usual expat territory.
Reasons not to move to Spain
High proportion of 'whinge-ers' amongst other expats
Sorry guys... but there are a lot;-)
Tradesmen will rob you with a smile
You HAVE to learn Spanish to avoid the above, and becoming one of the above-above;-)
And yes. Spanish utility companies are difficult to deal with and employ 'English speakers' who can't.
I love the place. But if you're a something-for-nothing type. Don't bother. You get what you put in in Spain.
You *can* live for next to nothing. But you have to be prepared to live like a poor Spaniard. If you want all the luxuries, you'll end up paying one way or another.
Good luck with your research, and you sound like a positive thinker/do-er...so you should love it here:-)
Courgettes at 69p a Kilo. Sharon fruit (in season) for not much more.
(endless list of cheap seasonal fresh fruit and veg. Those were just the first two I thought of)
A meal in our local bar for 4 people including drinks £20 euros
(There will be members of this group who will disbelieve this)
Council tax (here) of around 100 euros a year,
the best coffee I've ever tasted.
The best neighbours I've ever known
Beautiful weather (usually)
No I'm not saying where. But not usual expat territory.
Reasons not to move to Spain
High proportion of 'whinge-ers' amongst other expats
Sorry guys... but there are a lot;-)
Tradesmen will rob you with a smile
You HAVE to learn Spanish to avoid the above, and becoming one of the above-above;-)
And yes. Spanish utility companies are difficult to deal with and employ 'English speakers' who can't.
I love the place. But if you're a something-for-nothing type. Don't bother. You get what you put in in Spain.
You *can* live for next to nothing. But you have to be prepared to live like a poor Spaniard. If you want all the luxuries, you'll end up paying one way or another.
Good luck with your research, and you sound like a positive thinker/do-er...so you should love it here:-)
#186
Re: Living in Spain - the good things!
I mean whats the point of the early morning and mid-day ones apart from disturbing ppls rest.
In view of the fact that the Spanish ppl themselves are already reckoned to be the noisiest ppl on the planet,do they really need all this extra racket?
The answer of course is Yes.
They just love noise,any noise at all,its almost like a drug,they just can't get enough of it.
Walk in the average bar or restaurant and find that six ppl together can sound more like sixty or even six hundred.
Everyone talking or shouting together.
I just sit there in amazement wondering how any one person can even have the faintest clue what anyone else is talking about.
Could try having a word of course but I imagine they'd just turn a deaf ear.
I'm just back from a hospital waiting area with signs up saying no mobiles and silence.
No joking it was more like the Kop end at Anfield during a Champions league game!
Not really having a go, cos to be honest I still prefer that to the deathly silence and coolness that exists in parts of Scandinavia for instance.
Whats more the ones I know well are so friendly,helpful and kind that they alone are good enough reason for me being here.
#187
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Re: Living in Spain - the good things!
Fair comment.
The reason I made the post was that I had seen so many negative comments on various forums about Spain. So I am trying to get a balanced view.
For the record we have ruled out Scandinavia, Ireland, former eastern bloc countries, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland,Greece, Near Eastern Middle and Far Eastern countries, Africa, North and South America, Canada, Pacific Atolls, Russia, Mozambique, South Georgia and the Falkland Islands, Iceland, Greenland, Antartica and Malta.
Italy and Potugal are possibilities!
You can call me Al.
The reason I made the post was that I had seen so many negative comments on various forums about Spain. So I am trying to get a balanced view.
For the record we have ruled out Scandinavia, Ireland, former eastern bloc countries, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland,Greece, Near Eastern Middle and Far Eastern countries, Africa, North and South America, Canada, Pacific Atolls, Russia, Mozambique, South Georgia and the Falkland Islands, Iceland, Greenland, Antartica and Malta.
Italy and Potugal are possibilities!
You can call me Al.
#188
Re: Living in Spain - the good things!
Have you considered the Canary Islands? Wonderful all year round climate and no worries about heating bills if you choose an area that is warm 12 months of the year. I live in the south of Tenerife and you could have a very pleasant life here with a reasonable retirement income. There are many expats here and many who come out for 6 winter months and return every year. The positives are a much healthier lifestyle, great social life if that is something you would enjoy. Instead of watching a little box in the corner of the room every night you could sit on your terrace or balcony and enjoy a splendid sunset , stargaze later in the evening with clear night skies. You can walk and swim every day and enjoy fresh local produce, and if you shop where the locals shop it is not expensive. I would recommend learning Spanish because although you can manage without you would get so much more out of the experience of living here if you can integrate with the Canarian community. It would be a good idea to come out here for 6 months and rent an apartment whilst looking around different areas and seeing if it is for you. You can rent a lovely apartment on a complex with a pool for between 500 and 700 euros a month, if it is long term rental, and this would include all your bills. There are lots of cheap flights available and you never need to be out of touch with family and friends, in fact they will visit you so often you will be sick of the sight of them. Hope this helps.
I left partly because I thought it time for a change,partly because a Peninsula base gave me freedom to roam all Spain and Europe by car,also the area around me was starting to get a bit commercialised and the flights were getting more difficult and pricey.
Up untill that time I could virtually wander into my local airport most days and step straight on a flight for less than the cost of a taxi to the airport.
Tenerife IMHO is a nicer island in every respect than Gran Canaria.
Lanzorote is OK for a holiday but not enough for long term,...and
Fuertaventura is best forgotten, unless you prefer life amongst fat naked Germans being constantly sandblasted by the prevailing Easterly wind which makes it little more than a dustbowl.
#189
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Re: Living in Spain - the good things!
After the winter we’ve just had, or are still having, Tenerife sounds exciting. I’ve been a few times, on holiday, so I don’t know much about the place. We are thinking about making a move at the end of the year, which is approaching faster than we would like, and we’ll now put the Canaries on our list of possible places, it would have to be a ferry job with our dogs and things.
#190
Re: Living in Spain - the good things!
After the winter we’ve just had, or are still having, Tenerife sounds exciting. I’ve been a few times, on holiday, so I don’t know much about the place. We are thinking about making a move at the end of the year, which is approaching faster than we would like, and we’ll now put the Canaries on our list of possible places, it would have to be a ferry job with our dogs and things.
floods on Tenerife
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Re: Living in Spain - the good things!
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#193
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If you watch Spànish television you would realise that The Canary islands is not the place to go . Apart from three years of flooding causing misery and homelessness, corrupt government and high unemployment and the tragedy of the daily arrivals, weather permitting , of the boat people from Africa, many dead on arrival or lost overboard including mothers with new babies born at sea.
Corrupt govt is and always has been the norm ALL over Spain.
Unemployment same everywhere.
Might just as well be unemployed in a lovely climate without expensive heating bills, where you can walk out the door almost year round in just shorts and t-shirts,lower tax rates,many advantages too numerous to mention,like the wife won't need a new Winter wardrobe every year,maybe only an extra bikini,
Not many areas susceptible to flooding, which is normally very rare and the boat ppl are dealt with fairly promptly by authorities and have virtually zero affect on residents.
In TF you can normally,comfortably,be out and about all year round, rather than sitting on your PC half the year, moaning about the weather and heating bills.......or listening to miserable sob stories on the Spanish and English TV news.
I hardly ever found a spare minute to switch on the boring TV or pick up on the latest string of misery in the papers over there,...could quite easily and happily have got by without either.
Last edited by Dick Dasterdly; Mar 14th 2010 at 5:09 pm. Reason: additional note
#194
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Sounds like a Spanish version of the daily wail.
Corrupt govt is and always has been the norm ALL over Spain.
Unemployment same everywhere.
Might just as well be unemployed in a lovely climate without expensive heating bills, where you can walk out the door almost year round in just shorts and t-shirts,lower tax rates,many advantages too numerous to mention,like the wife won't need a new Winter wardrobe every year,maybe only an extra bikini,
Not many areas susceptible to flooding, which is normally very rare and the boat ppl are dealt with fairly promptly by authorities and have virtually zero affect on residents.
In TF you can normally,comfortably,be out and about all year round, rather than sitting on your PC half the year, moaning about the weather and heating bills.......or listening to miserable sob stories on the Spanish and English TV news.
I hardly ever found a spare minute to switch on the boring TV or pick up on the latest string of misery in the papers over there,...could quite easily and happily have got by without either.
Corrupt govt is and always has been the norm ALL over Spain.
Unemployment same everywhere.
Might just as well be unemployed in a lovely climate without expensive heating bills, where you can walk out the door almost year round in just shorts and t-shirts,lower tax rates,many advantages too numerous to mention,like the wife won't need a new Winter wardrobe every year,maybe only an extra bikini,
Not many areas susceptible to flooding, which is normally very rare and the boat ppl are dealt with fairly promptly by authorities and have virtually zero affect on residents.
In TF you can normally,comfortably,be out and about all year round, rather than sitting on your PC half the year, moaning about the weather and heating bills.......or listening to miserable sob stories on the Spanish and English TV news.
I hardly ever found a spare minute to switch on the boring TV or pick up on the latest string of misery in the papers over there,...could quite easily and happily have got by without either.
#195
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In any event the warming theory has virtually been kicked into touch according to other so-called experts.
In places where corruption is the norm most of these ppl don't worry about so-called shame,which to them is water on a ducks back,just as long as they keep increasing their fat bank accounts.
In any event as fast as they chuck one lot out or throw them behind bars another bunch equally as corrupt normally take their place.
I reckon you worry to much elspeth,..bad for the old ticker and blood pressure.
Try and stop reading depressing tabloids or watching TV news,...
...or even better still try a spell in the Canaries.....