Domino

Hi,
does Spain have such a thing as a lighting ceiling rose ??
scoured the AKI and Brico branches and also the Simon Electrical catalogue and can't find one


other than buying mail order from the UK does anyone have any alternatives for me

snikpoh

To my knowledge they don't do them - what I did was to buy a cheap pendant assembly (cable, rose and fitting for bulb) from Leroy Merlin and then just used the rose.

Rosemary

Yes, Spain does, I have seen them in Lee Roy Merlins, Brico Depot and another one but I cannot remember the name. Have to say that this was a while ago though but do not give up.

Rosemary

Lynn R

If you search for Escayolas, you will probably find quite a few, like this one for example:-


http://www.escayolasfidensa.org/eng_...eiling%20roses

spainrico

Depends exactly what you mean by ceiling rose - if you mean the round plastic juncion box then typically no - the cable is left in the ceiling with an exposed end ready to connect to a light fitting.

If you mean a decorative item (with no connection capability) then yes you can find those.

snikpoh

Because Domino mentioned an electrical catalogue, I assumed he meant an electrical rose rather than a plaster moulding.

(I assumed the clue was in the question)

Domino

thanks people, will have to do some more digging as it looks like they are like dodo's eggs

just that I don't feel happy putting up with the black corrugated conduit sticking out of the ceiling and using the Spanish method of jointing - twisting 2 wires together.

felt that using a proper jointing box would be a way of terminating and then making the connections into a chocolate block or similar. In fact seriously thinking of fitting a block into the wall as well for the same purpose.
buying a ready made pendant of plastic cover, cable and lamp socket at AKI is €4.95 or something - and when I already have that on the shade, which cost a princely €9.95 it seems overkill and much better to have a ceiling rose to do a proper connection

If I do find these elusive things I will report back in case anyone else wants the info. However, I am seriously considering buying a pack from Wickes or similar, as UK unit cost is only about £1.50.

rgds

Fredbargate

Tinternet or a trip to Gib Dom

Domino

yup, both on the same freq Fred

Domino

UPDATE......

after letting my fingers do the walking, as it were, found that those nice people at Screwfix in the UK have now started making parcel deliveries into the jungles of Europe.

So sat down online and came up with a number of things that I needed, such as 10 ceiling rose/pendent sets for just over £1.00 each, smoke alarms and a few other items, in all spending about £70.
ok delivery charge is £20 but amortised over 17 items not much more than a £1.00 each.

Order placed on-line on Sunday 12 Jan
Goods shipped Monday 13 Jan
Delivery made Thursday 16 Jan by Chronopost (except we were out all day so went to their depot on Friday 17th Jan)

TBH that was as quick for this parcel as the fastest letter.

So huge congratulations for excellent service/delivery to Screwfix,

lets see how British Corner Shop perform with the order I am about to place.

IamStu

I love doing electrical stuff over here. The best bit being the anticipation of having stuck either wire into either hole (as there doesn´t seem to be any particular order), and the few nervous seconds just before turning the power back on I don´t know why but I genuinely love it!

Bri and Katee

This is the Spanish method of doing ceiling roses.

The hole in which the cables protrude from the ceiling, a small hook with a butterfly fastener on the threaded end is pushed into the hole and tightened up leaving the hook end sticking from the ceiling.
The cable is then trimmed to length and attached to the light fitting using either a 'chocolate block' cable fastener or as the Spanish are fond of, twist the cables together and cap with a plastic cap. the ceiling rose as you would think of it is part of the light fitting, it is slid up the cable of the fitting and hooked over the hook and tightened into place using a small grub screw.

Fredbargate

Like fitting sockets back into the wall they have fallen out of.

Domino

ahh yes - "chocolate blocks",

had a kitchen installed and the installer (not an electrician but a carpenter) removed any/all socket he could find that were in his way and installed pig-tail leads terminated in chocolate blocks. Including the cooker - which he had wired to the nearest socket - a general purpose 16A circuit instead of the high amp circuit for the "horno and placa" - rated at 45A.
Even the Spanish electricians will say chocolate blocks are acceptable for most applications - but for the cooker circuit if used you should ensure that the wires go thru both sides of the screw terminations from the supply/load. The reason for this is that if it is just to the termination on one side then it is not a joint tween 2 wires but an extension and the barrel of the termination is not usually covered for the current that can be pulled. (hope I have described this right, but I understand what I mean). And many "electricians" do not appreciate that the different sizes of chocolate blocks are for different current.

Now, as to the "placa", Bosch unit, made in Spain, is supposed to have 1.1m of flying lead from the integral fitting. On ours - it was 0.85m and an electrician had to fit an extension to make it reach the socket.
OK I am a nightmare when it comes to these things, proper sockets, no choco blocks, only properly fitted plugs/sockets or jointing blocks in boxes without any opportunity for bare wires. This project has been a nightmare, but I am hoping that in the future, either us or a new owner that wants to effect repairs or replacement will not be struggling to make head or tail of the connections.
And the electricians (Spanish) were really clued up, recognised the problems, put all sockets back in place.

So, no cutting back, stuffing things behind something else, all ceiling lights will be properly terminated in a ceiling rose/pendant fitting.
Oh, and the sockets on the patio? standard indoor units fitted by the builder but they are all being changed to min IP55 or better with plastic membrane over the integral switch (not originally fitted) and all outdoor lights will be IP55 or better.

And there was me thinking that the EU regs were common to all EU countries


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IamStu

....or fitting my socks back on after they've been blown off!
It's all good though. My Mrs seems to think I'm quite handy but the look on her face (just before the power goes back on) tells me different!
I remember as a kid back in England needing to fit a socket back in the wall. Apparantly, the wires from the head lights of my "General Lee" all american car should never have been plugged directly to the mains