I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to. Could you perhaps draw a picture?

**cough** grumpy get **cough**

Take my advice, don't question XTreme, I did and I know know the error of my ways!

Well, it's not the XTreme forum is it, when it becomes so, i'll get my coat.

Actually, X, you are very scathing and you make far too many assumptions. You assume that everyone who comes to Spain... or who leaves again fits a certain profile.

Not everyone who comes to Spain does so for the weather, some come because they are highly paid, highly skilled and in demand, they are well travelled and are usually headhunted or relocated by their firms. The fact is that Spain does not live up to the standards of many other countries, in terms of social attitudes, road safety, building standards, value for money, shopping, private education, cleanliness of streets/beaches, etc. etc. I could go on. It's not news to anyone. But to imply that everyone goes back with their tails between their legs because they've f***ed up or that they're going back to their same old crap life is wrong. Some choose to return to their home countries or other countries because they just like them better... and you only live once don't you.

Absolutely! Here's two of those driving forces of industry earlier today.....

I can't even take a nap without being photographed!

if one of them had been bald with a terry nutkins pony tail I would have sworn it would be Mitzy!

Tallbob told me that Mitzy plays the unconcious card when it's time for his round Matt!
Talking of that mindless nobshite I've got to go round his place tomorrow cos the sick freak has burnt out his wireless network downloading porn again.
They're all Livin' La Vida Loca over here Matt!

Do me a favour, when you go round there take a pair of scissors with you and cut that bloody pony tail off will ya?

I'm sure it suited him 30 years ago when he waltzed around the West Midlands with his roll up backie in a leather pouch while he strutted around in a pair of black jeans, leather waistcoat and check shirt but he is so much older now and it just doesn't look right!

No I'm not going to Mitzy's....I'm going to Tallbob's!

Oh OK, well then that's where the confusion came in..........when someone on here mentions downloading too much porn I immediately assume its Mitzy.......


My bad.

I want out aswell but where we'll end up noboby knows

I know people who are forced to move back to the UK because their marriage broke up and they didn´t have the funds to carry on living in Spain without a husband supporting them and their children. Also people who have moved back because they have been sold illegal homes and have no electricity.

And who's ultimately accountable for their domestic circumstances and their purchasing decisions? They are! They made those decisions, or unfortunately found themselves in those circumstances without having a Plan B to fall back on.

The problem with people today is nobody ever wants to accept responsibility for their actions or decisions. It's always the usual speech about the Spanish didn't like us, other Brits made our lives a misery, my kids weren't getting an education, my mother didn't love me yada yada yada.

I came here at 51, had to learn a new language, and literally build my business up from nothing all over again. I pay my Nat Ins, taxes, IVA, and gestoria fees, and work seven days a week up to 100 hours....every week. And I wouldn't change things for the world! It's a great life here!

Its never as easy as that is it though Pete ..... with some people, things just get on top of them. Its difficult enough trying to survive in the Uk sometimes, not everyone is going to be able to hack it here with a different language etc. Imagine, you've had all your life to learn the system in the UK .... you come here and its all different .... its quite a thing for people to do, and its not always going to work out