Latvia to join euro / poland to hold euro vote
Mar 27th 2013, 10:01 pm
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Re: Latvia to join euro / poland to hold euro vote
There are many Polish women working and contributing to the ecconomies of EU countries, including Spain and UK. Many do go home, but others choose to settle in their adopted country - just like those UK nationals currently living in Spain.
Mar 28th 2013, 1:23 am
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lots of polish women marry LOCALS from the country they are in but those that do not tend to go back home for a family life
Mar 28th 2013, 1:26 am
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The euro is one of the greatest achievements in history. Unfortunately, the very foundation of it is fundamentally flawed, and the rectification of those flaws requires almost total loss of sovereignty for Eurozone members, which was never part of the deal. And support for that notion is slipping away more and more every day.
Next, the structure of the EU is not exactly set up to act as a functional democracy, designed to represent the will of the population. EU leaders are not elected to office and therefore have no specific responsibility to any electorate or constituency.
As you might expect, relinquishing sovereignty to an authority which has no responsibility to any electorate is not particularly palatable to individual member states who currently enjoy some level of democratic rule where their leaders are responsible to their electorate and constituencies. So, a fundamental, far-reaching mass-restructuring of the EU itself will probably be the minimum required to achieve a truly unified "European state".
As the crisis unfolded, EU "leadership" has consistently been in question, and the kind of draconian tactics now being implemented are not particularly encouraging to member states to relinquish sovereignty to the EU.
And that assumes that all of the actors involved are operating openly and without self-interest, which I think you would agree, would be a patently naive view to subscribe to. Trust isn't exactly ubiquitous in the EU.
So, it's not a simple solution or a pretty picture, and at this point I'd seriously question how sustainable it really is. It's certainly not going to get better before it gets better.
Next, the structure of the EU is not exactly set up to act as a functional democracy, designed to represent the will of the population. EU leaders are not elected to office and therefore have no specific responsibility to any electorate or constituency.
As you might expect, relinquishing sovereignty to an authority which has no responsibility to any electorate is not particularly palatable to individual member states who currently enjoy some level of democratic rule where their leaders are responsible to their electorate and constituencies. So, a fundamental, far-reaching mass-restructuring of the EU itself will probably be the minimum required to achieve a truly unified "European state".
As the crisis unfolded, EU "leadership" has consistently been in question, and the kind of draconian tactics now being implemented are not particularly encouraging to member states to relinquish sovereignty to the EU.
And that assumes that all of the actors involved are operating openly and without self-interest, which I think you would agree, would be a patently naive view to subscribe to. Trust isn't exactly ubiquitous in the EU.
So, it's not a simple solution or a pretty picture, and at this point I'd seriously question how sustainable it really is. It's certainly not going to get better before it gets better.
Mar 28th 2013, 1:39 am
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Re: Latvia to join euro / poland to hold euro vote
It is when you’re queuing at a food bank, BAT.
Mar 28th 2013, 2:03 am
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If you consider the draconian economics and self-serving politics increasingly imposed on the European population, our energy vulnerability (particularly to the Russians and the east in general) and the quietly growing civil unrest in the Eurozone, I think even you might agree that in the event things don't work out as we'd like, the next war will be all about power and money (or the lack of it, in this case).
I'd have to believe that if it did happen, it would more likely be a civil war, not a war between countries. I can already hear a faint drumbeat...
Mar 28th 2013, 2:14 am
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Wars have always been about power and money - and of course religion, which, at the end of the day, can be argued is all about power and money. But this isn't about religion at all.
If you consider the draconian economics and self-serving politics increasingly imposed on the European population, our energy vulnerability (particularly to the Russians and the east in general) and the quietly growing civil unrest in the Eurozone, I think even you might agree that in the event things don't work out as we'd like, the next war will be all about power and money (or the lack of it, in this case).
I'd have to believe that if it did happen, it would more likely be a civil war, not a war between countries. I can already hear a faint drumbeat...
If you consider the draconian economics and self-serving politics increasingly imposed on the European population, our energy vulnerability (particularly to the Russians and the east in general) and the quietly growing civil unrest in the Eurozone, I think even you might agree that in the event things don't work out as we'd like, the next war will be all about power and money (or the lack of it, in this case).
I'd have to believe that if it did happen, it would more likely be a civil war, not a war between countries. I can already hear a faint drumbeat...
food is probably the one thing that could cause a war, or at least the lack of food. The have's are probably throwing away more than the havenot's need, just in some cases it isnt the right sort of food. The wrong diet can kill as easily as war, at far less cost.
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Mar 28th 2013, 3:36 am
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Re: Latvia to join euro / poland to hold euro vote
and there was me thinking it would be religious - Christians vs Muslims, again.
food is probably the one thing that could cause a war, or at least the lack of food. The have's are probably throwing away more than the havenot's need, just in some cases it isnt the right sort of food. The wrong diet can kill as easily as war, at far less cost.
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food is probably the one thing that could cause a war, or at least the lack of food. The have's are probably throwing away more than the havenot's need, just in some cases it isnt the right sort of food. The wrong diet can kill as easily as war, at far less cost.
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You can bet that if things go down the tubes, both the haves and the have-nots will suffer. But it appears that some of the haves may be already moving what they have elsewhere - just in case.
Mar 28th 2013, 3:52 am
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Some of those good meat-like products they now pack into beef ready meals might help.
You can bet that if things go down the tubes, both the haves and the have-nots will suffer. But it appears that some of the haves may be already moving what they have elsewhere - just in case.
You can bet that if things go down the tubes, both the haves and the have-nots will suffer. But it appears that some of the haves may be already moving what they have elsewhere - just in case.
Mar 28th 2013, 4:22 am
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Really, I reckon almost anywhere would seem more attractive than a Eurozone jurisdiction at the moment. It would be hard to know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that UK banks are quietly receiving extraordinary deposits daily. And US banks, and Singapore, and Hong Kong, and Panama, and... and...
Mar 28th 2013, 5:46 am
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Wars have always been about power and money - and of course religion, which, at the end of the day, can be argued is all about power and money. But this isn't about religion at all.
If you consider the draconian economics and self-serving politics increasingly imposed on the European population, our energy vulnerability (particularly to the Russians and the east in general) and the quietly growing civil unrest in the Eurozone, I think even you might agree that in the event things don't work out as we'd like, the next war will be all about power and money (or the lack of it, in this case).
I'd have to believe that if it did happen, it would more likely be a civil war, not a war between countries. I can already hear a faint drumbeat...
If you consider the draconian economics and self-serving politics increasingly imposed on the European population, our energy vulnerability (particularly to the Russians and the east in general) and the quietly growing civil unrest in the Eurozone, I think even you might agree that in the event things don't work out as we'd like, the next war will be all about power and money (or the lack of it, in this case).
I'd have to believe that if it did happen, it would more likely be a civil war, not a war between countries. I can already hear a faint drumbeat...
cant see the logic in living in some one elses house and moaning about it all the time .... me i love europe,the euro,and ithe fact i can live and work here
Mar 28th 2013, 5:49 am
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Perhaps, but so far I only know of one place where it's completely legal for government to engage in indiscriminate raids of bank deposits. Of course, some would consider the declining benefits we receive for paying some the highest taxes in the world as a type of raid, too. But that's all academic.
Really, I reckon almost anywhere would seem more attractive than a Eurozone jurisdiction at the moment. It would be hard to know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that UK banks are quietly receiving extraordinary deposits daily. And US banks, and Singapore, and Hong Kong, and Panama, and... and...
Really, I reckon almost anywhere would seem more attractive than a Eurozone jurisdiction at the moment. It would be hard to know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that UK banks are quietly receiving extraordinary deposits daily. And US banks, and Singapore, and Hong Kong, and Panama, and... and...
at least in cyprus it the RICH (mostly russians) who are taxed ....
as for people putting their money into the british pound .... did you see that program on the container docks at felixstow
lot of importers are thinking of moving to EUROPE ax they only have EMPTY ships leaving england after dropping off the latest Chinese goods
so they will go to ROTTERDAM instead ,then the cost of goods to the uk will be higher as they are moved from there to the uk
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Mar 28th 2013, 6:04 am
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that was a part political broadcast on behalf of UKipper .. plenty of planes to go home and live in the UK ,and fight for freedom from those dam foreigners
cant see the logic in living in some one elses house and moaning about it all the time .... me i love europe,the euro,and ithe fact i can live and work here
cant see the logic in living in some one elses house and moaning about it all the time .... me i love europe,the euro,and ithe fact i can live and work here
