Originally Posted by Lynn R

I don't think it is accurate to say that in Spain there are not care systems such as exist in the UK. There are most certainly domicilary carers in the public sector (in my own town they work for an arms length company set up by the Ayuntamiento called Emvipsa, which also provides cleaning services for public buildings). This link to the Junta de Andalucia's webpage about the Servicio de Ayuda a Domiclio outlines the type of services that can be provide which is pretty comprehensive, and differs from the domiciliary care typically provided by local authority Adult Social Care departments in the UK which is almost always limited to personal care only (ie help with getting up and going to bed, washing, toileting, meal provision - which given the length of carer visits means putting something in the microwave) and giving medication). When I was investigating care at home for my late father in the event that he might recover sufficiently to be able to return home from hospital, I asked Social Services what could be done to help someone who needed help with shopping, cleaning, laundry etc. and they were very clear that that would either have to be provided by the family or contracted and paid for separately by the individual or their family.

Servicio de ayuda a domicilio - Junta de Andalucía (juntadeandalucia.es)

It is true that assessments are needed of a person's needs and capabilities before any such assistance could be provided, and those together with the application process would be conducted in Spanish which could be problematic for a foreigner without a good command of Spanish. It can take a long time for assessments to be done - and the same applies in the UK. It is also true that the individual or their family would have to contribute towards the cost of any assistance granted, or pay for it in full, depending on their income level. But the same is true of care in the UK, where anyone with savings of over 23.5k must pay for domiciliary care in full. I know of people here who are, or were before their death, residents in care homes here in Spain and the staff of the home helped their families deal with the local Social Services Department to obtain financial assistance which resulted in their pension being used to contribute to the costs (with the individual being able to keep a smalll amount as pocket money) and the local authority paying the rest - again no different from the UK where people with means over a certain level have to fund their own residential care in full (and are charged considerably more than the rate the local authority pays for people whose care they are funding).

In my town over 300 people are now employed to provide this service and every day when I am out and about I see their uniformed carers accompanying their carees on walks or in the supermarket, or just sitting on benches so the old people can chat with friends and neighbours. My next door neighbour on one side has one such carer who comes twice a week to do cleaning, etc. My neighbour is not housebound and goes out either on her own (she uses a walking aid) or with her husband who lives with her and doesn't appear at all frail, goes to the hairdresser every week and her daughter lives 3 doors away on the same floor of our block of flats, so obviously people don't have to be extremely seriously disabled or without family help to qualify for some level of assistance.

Los Servicios Sociales de Vélez-Málaga destinan 11,5 millones a atender a 5.100 personas | Diario Sur

As to fees for residential care homes being astronomical, when I type in my area on this webpage to find residencias within my muncipality (I know of at least 7) it displays a message saying that the average cost of a place (obviously it would cost more for residents with complex needs like dementia) is €2,234 per month - under half what self funders are now being charged in the UK.

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Originally Posted by T23

Hi, 1sexSmith,

Did I not mention that she lived over half her years in Cyprus, Spain and Portugal, nearly forgot also a handful in Australia, and when first discussed her face lit up, ( never judge a book unless you’ve actually read it ) 🙏

Originally Posted by tebo53

No you did not mention any of those things and you may have got different advice if you had. In future when you are seeking advice and information please include ALL relevant facts. No need for your last bracketed comment!
Steve

Originally Posted by T23

An open question to all…….
Lots of news in the UK concerning the British tourists and I guess also the Brit residents now in Spain being unwanted by large groups of Spanish people, does this cause issues and are some Brits and others starting to leave, is this a good time to even think about holidaying in Spain let alone moving to Spain.
Are there any attacks going on against Tourists property ie cars or people ? It’s all a bit concerning as we’ve got bookings to Spain but no longer sure it’s going to be a safe environment to even enjoy a long holiday/ property search..

Originally Posted by Lou71

They definitely don't like the beer guzzling at 11am brigade and rightly want to bin the naff, low end tourism you see with the British in places like Benedorm (a bulldozer perhaps!) and they want to rescue the Balearic islands from tacky tourism.

No problem in this area with good quality tourism (east of Malaga) but Spain definitely needs to clean up certain other places and move to more upmarket tourism.

Re people leaving Spain, loads of Brits left around the time of Brexit and in this area, they have been replaced by other northern Europeans.

Originally Posted by tebo53

Lou71,
I've seen "beer guzzling" at 11am in many British Towns, cities and even villages so no need for the high horse attitude towards Benidorm!! You have probably never been to Benidorm (and you can't even spell it correctly 🙄) Benidorm is one of Spains most Visited tourist cities by millions of holidaymakers from worldwide so your humble opinion is absolutely in the minority........

Steve

Originally Posted by tebo53

Lou71,
I've seen "beer guzzling" at 11am in many British Towns, cities and even villages so no need for the high horse attitude towards Benidorm!! You have probably never been to Benidorm (and you can't even spell it correctly 🙄) Benidorm is one of Spains most Visited tourist cities by millions of holidaymakers from worldwide so your humble opinion is absolutely in the minority........

Steve

Originally Posted by tebo53

Thanks for putting everything into context bobd22

I've lived in Benidorm for 10 years and have enjoyed the company of Spanish people who live in my block, they are very nice friendly and helpful people and have never made me feel uncomfortable.

The beer guzzlers are generally confind to one "Brit" area which gives Benidorm a bad reputation and that area is so easily avoided.

We eat and drink mainly where the Spanish dine out and enjoy every minute living here in Benidorm.

Steve

Originally Posted by Lou71

I don't doubt they guzzle beer at 11am in towns and cities across the UK and that is why they do the same while visiting Spain.

Benidorm aside (it was just one example) the Spanish are fed up with drunken British tourists and you can't blame them for wanting to bring that kind of tourism to an end. Google it and you will find numerous articles on the subject - 11am beer drinking was touched upon too.


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