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When we were in CE for 6 weeks recently we heard this rumour from many people (not any member of Jags bistro). The ex-partner and ex-employee were involved - according to what we heard often.

I'm really pleased that the ex-partner wants more businesses - I agree. Also really pleased that he says that he is not involved in any activity to stop Jag's bistro.

He is also one of the best chefs around the CE 'universe' IMHO

Jon

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Understood, thank you.

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Hi, we're newbies to British Expats, but had to register and comment about Jags.
Firstly totally agree with most of what's been said here, and especially Jon-Bxl, great post.
We're relatively new to CE, having owned a property pretty close to Jags for nearly 4 years now. We're very passionate about CE, love the area, and can't get out there enough. Also nothing would be better to have more establishments like Jags in the area, which can only be better for the area and those who reside & holiday there.
We've been to Jags on countless occasions, just for drinks, a lunch, evening meals, some of the entertainment and New Year eve parties.
I'll try and keep this relatively short - as most posts here say, a lot of this is just rumours, he said/they said, they did etc etc, so first, if Jags ex business partner denies any wrong-doing here and welcomes more establishments like Jags in the area, and it would be great if this is true, he would be willing to sign any petition to keep Jags open and up & running as it currently is will he ? - be good to find out don't you think. I for one will be more than happy to take a petition straight down to him for his signature. Second, I have personally seen Jags ex-employee talking to the owner of this Villa (and yes it's a lovely looking Villa), it was a very discrete looking conversation which took place while both parties were trying to keep out of sight behind a wall !.
Lastly, I know Jag himself has offered on more than one occasion to meet with the owner of the Villa, to discuss how he can possibly help, and improve the situation for both parties, but the owner has shown no interest to talk.
Regardless, we must show & give Jag our full support, as to loose this place would be nothing but detrimental to the area, something which we could all we do without.

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Hi Ken & Tina, and welcome to the forum. What you have contributed backs up the rumours and hopefully adds some weight to what we are trying to achieve here. Thank you for your input!!

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I am currently in jags havin a wine and chillin out with my son. I am interested to know what is it that the collective of CE intend to do. Rather than waiting for the enevitable to happen I suggest that it would be more appropiate for this issue to be raised at local level (manzanz level) and submissions to the major in order to formally have a record of our concerns.
Compromisses are always the best policy in neighbour disputes but I have to admit if I had a villa like the one adjacient to jags I would be looking for as best an outcome if unhindered by the rest of CE.
I'll continue to enjoy my wine here till then.

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I spent 12 years living next to a live music pub and I realised that it provided a decent local service and wasn't going away.

During those 12 years it had a few landlords, I got to know them all. I was fair with them, they were fair with me - I never had any issue to complain as I just went to said landlord and if I was reasonable they did what I asked. I'd be shocked if this wasn't Jag's attitude if approached.

I would still be living there if it wasn't for the fact I became a Dad thus needing 3 instead of 2 bedrooms. I now live round the corner.

In the first instance (if I was the Villa owner) I'd talk to Jag as compromise is far better than the stress of battle.

Also when they built the villa - surely they noticed that Jags was next door? Rather than spend the cash on the build, surely they could've just sat on the land.....

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What we need is someone living on CE who knows where to take a collective vote to protect Jags future. They could be sent an email from everyone who votes for and against. Unless anyone else has a better idea, are there any takers?

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Is this something the Costa Esuri Residents Association (CERA) might help with?

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I and some others have written to CERA and I hope they will help. Regarding the petition it would make sense for Jag to have one at "JAGS" and, for those unable to be there to sign, to email to all his members/ data base list etc asking them to write back confirming their support. These could be attached to the petition. Any other suggestions as we need to keep Jags open

Mel

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if the problem is purely about noise, well that could come from a noisy family next door as much as a commercial concern.
however, a commercial concern has (talking in UK terms) to provide a duty of care to neighbours.

it is possible to get a "magic box" that will limit the sound levels (usually by switching off the amplifier) for around £1500. A more expensive system that reduces the sound level is also available which will reduce the sound level to a particular setting.

these types of systems are normally specified by local authority noise abatement officers to ensure the adjacent houses are not blasted by noise from working mens clubs, pubs etc....

the problem is sound travels in still air or is "bent" when there is a wind. also bass tends to travel through the foundations. (this morning setting up the market in the next street at 7.30 it sounded like they were in my bedroom - and I get this every thursday). Also, as a venue becomes fuller the ambient noise increases so the amplifier is turned up to come out above the ambient.

so there are possible "answers" but there has to be an element of caveat emptor when it comes to what the development plans show when buying a property.

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Yeah, but this is Spain. They could also try some ear plugs :rofl:

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I have been reading this message board since I first bought on Costa Esuri back in 2006 and have enjoyed reading but never felt the need to post.

The Jag love fest has though always amused me but it seems now, to have reached epic proportions.

I have read what the many posters have written in other (non specific restaurant related threads) and can only conclude that you are a decent, fair and educated group who want the best for the development. The topic of Jags restaurant (both in its old and current form) comes up and it is love carnage. What makes this man such a demigod!?

I was very surprised when the restaurant opened in the centre of the villa development. Certainly I would have been very unhappy had I owned a plot nearby and to now ridicule whoever complains from the immediate vicinity, seems to me very unfair and unjust. I would not purchase a villa there now without a serious reduction and I'm sure many would feel the same; therefore as a direct result of Jag opening those people have lost substantial money. In their position I would look to see what sort of recourse was available as any sensible person would.

Now, lets look at this logically. There are commercial units scattered across the development that were earmarked as such on the original plans. I can only assume (and I may be wrong) that the restaurant has opened where it has because of financial benefit. Having shunned the empty units and opted for one clearly originally not designated as commercial I see no reason to get his knickers in a knot over a possible challenge.

Before the Jag Army of 'satisfied customers' respond with 'how he is helping the area and ' we need more people like Jag' and They are going to shut jags lets take action' can we just consider that Jags is not a charity, it is actually there making money and as a commercial concern is open to challenge.

If the restaurant has done nothing wrong in opening where it has then I wish him the best of luck (though I would really still consider it to be bad form) but I don't think the future of Costa Esuri, or of Ayamonte, or of the Universe hinges upon weather I can get a curry at ten o clock at night in an average restaurant.

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Well said mrtrumper! Too many people around here are making assumptions without knowing the facts or just believing anything that has been posted.

I notice nobody has commented on the young boy almost drowning in Jags pool recently which would have been Jags responsibility as there was no lifeguard!

How would this have affected the community if that little boy had not made a full recovery?

I would have thought the near drowning of a child has more importance than
whether there is more than 2 places to get food and drink on Costa Esuri, yet no one has started a petition to insist Jag has a lifeguard in attendance!.

Also, Jags Bistro was intended as a social club solely for the villas surrounding it and as such, DOES NOT have a licence to open to the public, meaning it is trading illegally when it is serving the general public.

As much as it is convenient for the residents of Costa Esuri, if it is not allowed to open to the public, Jags Bistro should only concern the people living in the adjacent villas.

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