Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Jun 11th 2010, 8:11 am
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Jun 11th 2010, 9:33 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Appropriate or not, I can’t resist it. I had a caravan at Point Clear for some years, on the old part of the site, right next to the sea. The site management didn’t want us there, and we weren’t allowed during the winter months. We weren’t plumbed in either.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me. I got into the first one and regretted eating a strong curry along with too many pints of lager.
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me. I got into the first one and regretted eating a strong curry along with too many pints of lager.
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
Jun 11th 2010, 9:43 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Appropriate or not, I can’t resist it. I had a caravan at Point Clear for some years, on the old part of the site, right next to the sea. The site management didn’t want us there, and we weren’t allowed during the winter months. We weren’t plumbed in either.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me. I got into the first one and regretted eating a strong curry along with too many pints of lager.
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me. I got into the first one and regretted eating a strong curry along with too many pints of lager.
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
like that?
Jun 11th 2010, 9:51 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Appropriate or not, I can’t resist it. I had a caravan at Point Clear for some years, on the old part of the site, right next to the sea. The site management didn’t want us there, and we weren’t allowed during the winter months. We weren’t plumbed in either.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
Jun 11th 2010, 6:09 pm
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Appropriate or not, I can’t resist it. I had a caravan at Point Clear for some years, on the old part of the site, right next to the sea. The site management didn’t want us there, and we weren’t allowed during the winter months. We weren’t plumbed in either.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me. I got into the first one and regretted eating a strong curry along with too many pints of lager.
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
I remember an illicit weekend away from the stresses of London, in mid-winter, when we sampled the delights of St Osyths and returned to the caravan laden with a vindaloo curry and cans of lager.
At four in the morning I had to brave the rains and wind to sprint to the communal toilet block, a hundred yards away.
The toilet block was empty, but the lights worked and ten empty cubicles stretched in front of me. I got into the first one and regretted eating a strong curry along with too many pints of lager.
Suddenly, I heard another man going into the cubicle next to mine. From the noises I mused that he must have had the same curry take-away.
But the noises from next door made me feel even worse and I finished my business and left my lonely cubicle to wash my hands at one of the nearby sinks.
When I looked in the cracked mirror, I saw that my hair was standing on end. I had long hair at the time and it looked funny. I looked back at the toilet cubicles and saw that they were all empty. Feeling brave, I walked along the line of them.
When I realised that they were all empty, I raced across the wet, long grass until I reached the safety of my caravan. I put it up for sale the next week.
Jun 12th 2010, 1:25 am
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Jun 12th 2010, 9:23 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Yes, it’s the Ferryboat Inn, I haven’t seen Fleetwood Mac there, but I was writing out a betting slip once when Lennie Peters walked in. And Charlie Kray used to have a caravan there, on the little site, next door to Point Clear, right next to the Ferryboat.
Jun 12th 2010, 9:28 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Jun 12th 2010, 6:43 pm
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
So, I'm lost here - who is going bankrupt, Spain or Fleetwood Mac?
Jun 12th 2010, 6:47 pm
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Jun 13th 2010, 6:39 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Ivanmax, understandably a lot of people do not want to hear what you are saying but I do think it will get worse before getting better. The problem with Spain is the government is not doing much but beyond that how can Spain create the wealth that it had before to maintain its accounts without the income from tourists and construction?
Jun 13th 2010, 6:46 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
without the income from tourists and construction?
Jun 13th 2010, 7:50 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
Important though it is, you have to remember that Spain and Spanish companies now earn money in other areas - see Zara, Santander etc. Indeed will BA switching from Heathrow to Madrid not bring more money (see other thread)? I understand that tourism accounts for around 18% of the nation's income, so although it's sizeable, it's not everything. Plus in some areas it's not declined - the number of visits from France actually increased last year. Lastly, if the pound continues to increase in value against the Euro, you may see Brits start to come back. It's a big "may" though as people are predicting a double-dip recession in the UK once the cuts hit.
The like of Zara employ a lot of people in their manufacturing but really this is only in and around Arteixo/Coruna, which is not a tourist area.
There are a few employed in the shops, but that is a small amount in comparison.
So although the tourism brings in a relatively "small" percentage, it is confined to certain areas onlyl.
I visited Torrevieja last week, and the state of the roads and pavements is abysmal, compare that to say Ponferrada, where everything is ship shape.
You can see the lack of money around Torreveija, and I am sure that the decline is related to the lack of tourists.
When a mine closed in the UK, it might not have damaged the UK as a whole to any great extent, but it destroyed those in the immediate vecinity and ruined many villages.
The tourist industy works along the same lines as the mine, if it fail in certain places, nearly all business fail.
Jun 13th 2010, 8:40 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
The problem that the tourist places face is that the "only 18 percent" affects the areas concerned very badly.
The like of Zara employ a lot of people in their manufacturing but really this is only in and around Arteixo/Coruna, which is not a tourist area.
There are a few employed in the shops, but that is a small amount in comparison.
So although the tourism brings in a relatively "small" percentage, it is confined to certain areas onlyl.
I visited Torrevieja last week, and the state of the roads and pavements is abysmal, compare that to say Ponferrada, where everything is ship shape.
You can see the lack of money around Torreveija, and I am sure that the decline is related to the lack of tourists.
When a mine closed in the UK, it might not have damaged the UK as a whole to any great extent, but it destroyed those in the immediate vecinity and ruined many villages.
The tourist industy works along the same lines as the mine, if it fail in certain places, nearly all business fail.
The like of Zara employ a lot of people in their manufacturing but really this is only in and around Arteixo/Coruna, which is not a tourist area.
There are a few employed in the shops, but that is a small amount in comparison.
So although the tourism brings in a relatively "small" percentage, it is confined to certain areas onlyl.
I visited Torrevieja last week, and the state of the roads and pavements is abysmal, compare that to say Ponferrada, where everything is ship shape.
You can see the lack of money around Torreveija, and I am sure that the decline is related to the lack of tourists.
When a mine closed in the UK, it might not have damaged the UK as a whole to any great extent, but it destroyed those in the immediate vecinity and ruined many villages.
The tourist industy works along the same lines as the mine, if it fail in certain places, nearly all business fail.
Jun 13th 2010, 9:05 am
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Re: Ivanmax is back-You ready for a Spanish bankruptcy?)
I'm not disagreeing with you - in areas that are solely dependant on tourism then obviously it's 100% the most important issue. Worth remembering though that not all tourists are from the UK, and not everywhere saw a decline (although a lot of areas have been hit hard). The light at the end of the tunnel is that tourism should recover at some point (it did so both in the 80s and in the 90s). Unless every western economy goes down, in which case we're all doomed of course
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