lynnxa

that's a whole different ballgame - nothing to do with running a small business such as a bar

you would still have to pay IVA (VAT) & the autónomo (self employed NI) & income tax

also if you employed anyone you'd have to pay NI contributions for them

fionamw

But what about the segment above that one? 120,000 being the figure above which you pay 25%.

cricketman

Well, they are wrong

Although if you are planning on just you and your partner running the bar, then you may be able to get away with just paying your social security payment (250 euros or so) as a partner is allowed to put some hours in without contributing, but only some. If they were found to be working serious hours then they should contribute also

And I believe social security of staff members is even higher, around 350 euros per month per staff member

Do you have your own bar in the UK? If not, why not? It wont be any easier in Spain

lynnxa

minimum is just over 250€ still I believe

I pay considerably more cos I'm so old...........

cricketman

Given that the OP is 53, they probably would have to as well

Running a bar from 7am til 12pm 6 days a week is the last thing I'd want to do at his age

lynnxa

he's a little older than me so he'd be paying about what I do then - a bit over 270€ a month

there's no way I'd want to do it either

I did run bars restaurants & hotels in my 20's in the UK - at least then you had to close at closing time

I can't think of anything worse here - you open early to get the pre work coffees - the day you open late you'll lose them to the bar up the road

and you don't go home until the last customer is ready to leave - & that easliy could be 18 hours later

and working in the incredible heat of the summer isn't to be taken lightly either - but you have to, cos if you're in a tourist spot, what you take in those 10 weeks or so might have to carry you through the other 42

Chiclanagir

But advice is what you are being given as for being hostile more the other way around. Why on earth would you want to know about visas? Because someone had mentioned it before but not for anyone that is British.

What you are failing to realise is that people are trying to help.

steviedeluxe

I'm normally one of the more positive posters here, but I'll give a couple of examples that show why I agree with the down beat advice above (assuming the OP is dead set on a coastal resort bar).

The Spanish chain that runs 100 Montaditos (that continues to expand) is opening up 80 new bars in 2012 under the brand name La Sureña - link below is an article on that, in Spanish. So, I can hear you thinking, there are opportunities in the Spanish market. Think of it like a Spanish version of Wetherspoons if you like. One of their offers is 5 beers in a bucket for 3 Euros. Now they can do that by buying cheaply in bulk and situating their establishments in city areas where they can remain busy all year round. Even then, it has to be a tightly-run ship, and marketing and good staff are only a small part of the challenge. I don't think you will be in a position to go for the cheaper end of the market, and still make money.

http://www.europapress.es/sociedad/c...625134037.html

Posters here will groan, as I've mentioned them before, but Irish pubs in Madrid have carved a niche for themselves by catering to both the expat community (and weekend holidaymakers on a Ryan-Easyjet weekend) and to the Spanish community. But remember that they also can stay busy most of the year, with the possible exception of August. You won't have that option in a coastal resort.

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/glob...-in-madrid/810

Pocaloca

Did you actually want advice, or just reassurance?

EllisG

I had a bar/BBQ, it was great and popular too

June was busy, July got even busier, August was crazy.

By the end of September I was grateful I had rented the place on a fairly informal basis and I could hand the keys back with fairly small losses compared to other ex bar owners I know

On a more positive note I'd advise living on the CDS to anyone... great weather, bring an income stream with you and enjoy it

mikelincs

registering as an autonomo will require you to pay €250 a month which covers health care, and has nothing to do with iea, otherwise you will have to pay for private health care, also be aware that there is NO benefit system in Spain like the UK, so there is no safety net if you do have problems. We lived in Spain 7 years ago, when there was still a lot of Brits moving out, and the housing industry was still booming, but even then the local bars were openign and closing very regularly, and 5 years ago one local bar changed hands 3 times in 6 months, each new owner sure they would turn it round, the most people we saw in there at any one time was 4, another one was just keeping it´s head above water, but they were having to open all hours god sends in summer to make up for the lack of customers from September to April. just before we left Spain ( and we were NOT needing to work but were pensioners) then some parts of the local towns were just looking like ghost towns with the number of closed premises, we actually went to one restaurant the week before it was closing because it had a great reputation for it´s food, but it was just to much hard work to make any profit as they couldn´t afford to take on staff as they would have had to put their prices up which would have defeated the object.
A friend was offered a job in a bar, and lasted one night, she had been offered €5, but didn't realise this was for the whole evening, not an hour.

Pocaloca

No.

Pocaloca

Some of the bars in the nearest village to me have just REDUCED their prices. 70c for a caña, or 5 small bottles in an ice-bucket for €3.

I don't know how they survive, but most of them own their premises outright, they have been in the family for years, so no rent to pay. They are staffed by family members and friends and I don't suppose they even get paid, let alone get their SS paid. Very different from the bars on the costas.

jackytoo

That's true. Some on the coast have such ridiculous rents and other overheads that the figures don't stack up even if they are busy. People can only drink so much alcohol

Domino

most around here charge €1.40/€1.50 for tubo with tapa.
considering the quality of the tapa it is hard to see how they break even, letalone make a profit
this lunchtime of the 10 in the bar when i was there no one had more than 3 tubo/cana but 10 x 3 x €1.50 = €45 and that was in the period 2.15 - 3.00. as he was open for breakfast at 8.30 when I was walking the dog (but didnt drop in) he probably has taken a minimum of €200 so far, even allowing €1.00 for a cafe con leche or few. I have no idea how busy he is in the evening session.
Is that enough to make a living for 2 people ??