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Old Jul 20th 2008 | 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Chiclanagir
I am intrigued about all this "black pipe" to get hot water. Can someone actually tell us how to do it please.

Crispy, I often have a shower morning and evening in the hot weather.
Take long length of black irrigation tube 16mm diam, or whatever, and fix to tap. Lay pipe out so that it is in the full sun, and connect far end to a shower head.

Leave for a shorth while the water warms, then take shower. Get the flow rate and the length correct, and you will get a steady stream of warm water.
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 10:18 pm
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Originally Posted by leighbloke
Any of you guys live in an apartment rather than a villa? or on a "development" - If so does the service charge include your building insurance and "council tax"?

I know this has been discussed many times - but if, as seems to be the concensus, it Costs a minimum of 1k euro/month to get by in Spain without house purchase/rent costs - How do the locals get by?
Building ins has to be included in community charges otherwise think of the consequences if someone living in a block was uninsured and burned or flooded out adjacent apartments.

The locals get by living multi families in one place, lots stay in the same place all their lives and it is handed down to their kids.
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Chiclanagir
I am intrigued about all this "black pipe" to get hot water. Can someone actually tell us how to do it please.

Crispy, I often have a shower morning and evening in the hot weather.


Chiclanagirl that's fine if there are only two of you but when there are nine of you doing this the gas doesn't last long I can tell you, I don't see why you have to shower twice a day when there is a pool that you can jump in to cool off and an outside shower to wash the chlorine off after or am I just being mrs tight pants.
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 10:59 pm
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Chiclanagirl that's fine if there are only two of you but when there are nine of you doing this the gas doesn't last long I can tell you, I don't see why you have to shower twice a day when there is a pool that you can jump in to cool off and an outside shower to wash the chlorine off after or am I just being mrs tight pants.
Mrs Tight Pants - No never.

I would just call you Mrs. Popular instead.

I took your hint and took my shower gel out to the outside shower this morning to have a shower after my morning swim instead of using the bathroom. However as my shower is overlooked I couldn´t use it in quite the same way as I would indoors!
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by bil
Take long length of black irrigation tube 16mm diam, or whatever, and fix to tap. Lay pipe out so that it is in the full sun, and connect far end to a shower head.

Leave for a shorth while the water warms, then take shower. Get the flow rate and the length correct, and you will get a steady stream of warm water.
That´s brilliant. Would the hose pipe work as well!
 
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Originally Posted by Chiclanagir
Mrs Tight Pants - No never.

I would just call you Mrs. Popular instead.

I took your hint and took my shower gel out to the outside shower this morning to have a shower after my morning swim instead of using the bathroom. However as my shower is overlooked I couldn´t use it in quite the same way as I would indoors!

Very true, you can't reach those all important parts where did you put the shower gel I pop mine down the cleavage
 
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Originally Posted by Chiclanagir
That´s brilliant. Would the hose pipe work as well!
Yeah. No probs. The secret lies in three things.

1. The length of the tube.
2. The rate of flow.
3. The colour. (The lighter the hose colour, the less heat it will pick up.)

Other tricks. Take plastic bottles like coke 1, 2 litre. whatever. Cut the neck off so that the hole remaining JUST allows the hose thru. Make a similar hole in the bottom of the bottle. Thread the bottles onto the hose, and that will stop some of the heat loss from the hose.
 
Old Jul 21st 2008 | 5:27 am
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Yeah. No probs. The secret lies in three things.

1. The length of the tube.
2. The rate of flow.
3. The colour. (The lighter the hose colour, the less heat it will pick up.)

Other tricks. Take plastic bottles like coke 1, 2 litre. whatever. Cut the neck off so that the hole remaining JUST allows the hose thru. Make a similar hole in the bottom of the bottle. Thread the bottles onto the hose, and that will stop some of the heat loss from the hose.
I think you should all be on Dragons Den.
 
Old Jul 21st 2008 | 5:50 am
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Hell girl, you think that is impressive???

If you really want to look into it, just google solar power and study some of the tricks you can pull with solar power.

You can cook with it, which is very useful for when you need a stew or something that needs a long time, a solar powered barbecue is easily made, and I have plans for a solar drier to dry surplus fruit. Hot water is a cinch, you can set up something to give tanks of almost boiling water on most days, even when the sun doesn't shine much.

A little bit of twisting the techno, and there is cooling. Set up the right system, not expensive, and you can easily give yourself a few kilos of ice a day for a cool box/fridge.

With power prices going the way they are, technology like this is well worth studying!
 
Old Jul 21st 2008 | 7:48 am
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All true bil, the one thing you have to factor in is the resistance of material used against the UV. To my cost I have found how the UV here destroys plastics in only a few years and if you follow the solar panels on sale, they all use metal and glass to last longer. Sometimes special metals and special coatings too but you need this level of technology in this sun.
 
Old Jul 21st 2008 | 10:14 am
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Well yes. The more advance stuff tho is strictly soldered copper pipe, and even more advanced stuff needs steel pipes. Some of the setups can easily reach temps that will melt soldered joints if the water supply fails.
 
Old Jul 21st 2008 | 9:20 pm
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Hell girl, you think that is impressive???

If you really want to look into it, just google solar power and study some of the tricks you can pull with solar power.

You can cook with it, which is very useful for when you need a stew or something that needs a long time, a solar powered barbecue is easily made, and I have plans for a solar drier to dry surplus fruit. Hot water is a cinch, you can set up something to give tanks of almost boiling water on most days, even when the sun doesn't shine much.

A little bit of twisting the techno, and there is cooling. Set up the right system, not expensive, and you can easily give yourself a few kilos of ice a day for a cool box/fridge.

With power prices going the way they are, technology like this is well worth studying!
Bil, you should get yourself into business. You can come round to my place anyday and sort it out.
 
Old Jul 21st 2008 | 10:02 pm
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Very interesting and helpful. I am always staggered by the amount of knowledge on this forum. Thanks one and all
Is there enough sun in Galicia for solar power to be reasonably cost effective?
 
Old Jul 21st 2008 | 11:23 pm
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Well Bil my other half has had a look at your stuff and he is well impressed He is going along simlar lines He can weld Bil and has all the kit. he intends to use the black pipe with the compression joints. with a storage tank on the flat roof we had the built to accomdate the water thing.
 
Old Jul 22nd 2008 | 2:55 am
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Well, glad it has interested people. If anyone wants the stuff I have sent to Sharon, pm me your email and I will send you the data. Some of it is a little outre, like the vortex, but is still fascinating reading, but most of the rest is achieveable with a minimum of effort.

One thing tho, those pipes get hot, so make sure the plastic pipe is up to it. If you make a rigid structure out of copper pipe, you can use a flexible braided connector so the array can be moved wrto the sun. I also have an article on a distorted parabola that follows the sun without moving. Most interesting, but you would need to make up a mockup and test it as I only can find minimsl info about that one.

If you use a reflector to boost input, the pipes MUST be metal, and I would make them all in one piece with no soldered joints where the sunlight is focussed as if the water fails, the joints will melt!
 

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