Fredbargate

Now I thought we had swapped Menorca for Florida, then those nasty Yanks booted us out.

However as some whish to turn the clocks back, which period in time do you fancy? if we could all agree then we could just revert to that date and everyone would be able to live happily everafter.

jimenato

Yup - New York back to the Indians - I expect they'll give the beads back.

Fredbargate

Will we also get London Bridge back ??

jimenato

Ceuta and Melilla have been mentioned in this thread so as EMR probably knows as much about them as he knows about Gibraltar for his info here is a map of Spain's possessions along the coast of Morocco.



Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera was invaded by Moroccan protesters recently and in 2002, Isla del Perejil was invaded by the Moroccan army and navy and re-taken by Spanish marines a week later.

Ceuta, Melilla and all the Plazas de Soberania are claimed by Morocco.

Here also is a map of the territorial waters in the straits area. You will see that Gibraltar has a 3 mile limit while Spain has a 12 mile limit while Spain also claims a 12 mile limit for its disputed Moroccan exclave of Ceuta.

rugbymatt

I imagine I'd feel the same way the Moroccans feel about the land the Spanish own just off their coast and on their own land.... and while we are at it, would you like to tell me just how close the Canaries are to Spain compared to Morocco?

me me

Put like that, it is the kettle calling the pot black.

Fredbargate

OK so the Channel islands are French.
Also if the French decide to enter the Thames estuary, Dover harbour or the Solent shooting at all and sundry it will be OK because in reality Britain is just a small island off the French coast and therefore must be part of France.

Maybe1day

On a slightly happier note,
I went to Gib yesterday by rental car. the queue to get on to the island took 45 mins (the car boiled as we entered the car park). Typical British day, grey and windy but 26C. Had Fish and chips for lunch, total for the meal 21,05 pounds, paid in Euros a whopping 29,47 (exchange rate 1.40) Sun came out in the afternoon, just in time to sit in the car for 1.5hrs getting off the rock while a few GdC stopped all non Spanish cars to look in the boot etc for stashes of fags,booze and overpriced perfume and gadgets.

Dick Dasterdly

So instead of a Full English breakfast, it's Frogs Legs on toast from now on.

Dick Dasterdly

What Island ?

agoreira

Nobody has mentioned Olivenza yet, about time the Spanish gave that back, although it's in Spain, Portugal has a good good claim to it.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...e_up_olivenaa/
I like the bit where Spain "first prohibiting teaching in Portuguese, then banning the language outright." Sounds about right for Spain, did much the same with Catalan.

Maybe1day

Sorry DicK,
It had always made me think of it as an Island what with all the years of barricades etc
I noticed that Petrol costs more than in Spain (1.32Pounds +whatever exchange rate) and even the car park we used above BHS used an exchange rate of 1.53 ie 10Euros=6.50Pounds. They're not going to go broke like that until people that go there Hhhhmmm realize that the only thing that is cheaper are the fags. The last time we bought a bottle of Sambuca only to find that locally it was 20c cheaper (same make)
The vast majority of the cars coming and going to the rock were Spanish and at one point hundreds of horns were being sounded as "encouragement"

jimenato

Interesting and similar to the Gibraltar situation in many ways.

EMR

We took Gib, Menorca, Malta etc etc as a result of military action and conquest.there was not Voluntary giving of terrtory.

EMR

Spain should give up its enclaves in Morocco, The Canaries had no established Islamic population therefore no connection either geographic or cultural with Morocco honestely I have never met anyone who has been to Gib who lked the place other than those Brit expats who say they live in Spain but really lve for anythng with UK connections which Gib provides.
The channel Islands have nver been French , have not been under rule from Paris, were not taken by force from France.