Government announce new law on foreign purchases.
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There is always someone who feels worse off. If it's not the foreigners, it will be the Spanish who go to work abroad and come back with substantial savings who push up prices etc.
Those who have enough cash will still buy the villa with sea views and while it might not cost 1 million, the 800K will also be out of reach for the normal worker.
Those who have enough cash will still buy the villa with sea views and while it might not cost 1 million, the 800K will also be out of reach for the normal worker.
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Rather than increase transfer tax on new sales of second homes, could the problem be solved more easily by increasing the notional value of second homes (existing and new) by a factor of 10 or more which would make the imputed rental income tax punitive and the only exception would be if the property was rented on a long term contract to the people who are desperate to find affordable homes in which case the tax rate would be zero. This would apply to all second homes irrespective of of residency or nationality status. This would result in many sales which could be compensated for by zero CGT. on these sales.
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Obviously I'm not in a position to comment on the situation in Spain but acknowledge some of the insights given above, particularly in respect of the plight of many Spanish.
However, as an immigrant myself, I bought a property here, luckily just at the start of the property boom, which resulted from some specific government policies. So, in a very small way I fuelled that boom - but, my purchase (including a considerable amount spent on furnishings plus the payment of stamp duty) brought in new money, foreign currency, which every Country needs. And then, of course, there is the income brought in over the last 10 years, again new money, foreign currency - which the Country needs.
However, as an immigrant myself, I bought a property here, luckily just at the start of the property boom, which resulted from some specific government policies. So, in a very small way I fuelled that boom - but, my purchase (including a considerable amount spent on furnishings plus the payment of stamp duty) brought in new money, foreign currency, which every Country needs. And then, of course, there is the income brought in over the last 10 years, again new money, foreign currency - which the Country needs.
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Obviously I'm not in a position to comment on the situation in Spain but acknowledge some of the insights given above, particularly in respect of the plight of many Spanish.
However, as an immigrant myself, I bought a property here, luckily just at the start of the property boom, which resulted from some specific government policies. So, in a very small way I fuelled that boom - but, my purchase (including a considerable amount spent on furnishings plus the payment of stamp duty) brought in new money, foreign currency, which every Country needs. And then, of course, there is the income brought in over the last 10 years, again new money, foreign currency - which the Country needs.
However, as an immigrant myself, I bought a property here, luckily just at the start of the property boom, which resulted from some specific government policies. So, in a very small way I fuelled that boom - but, my purchase (including a considerable amount spent on furnishings plus the payment of stamp duty) brought in new money, foreign currency, which every Country needs. And then, of course, there is the income brought in over the last 10 years, again new money, foreign currency - which the Country needs.
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But you live there - this new proposal will not affect any foreigner who actually resides in Spain. It would be levied on people who do not live in Spain but buy property here either as holiday homes or to rent out short term to tourists (some people do both, of course, rent out for the periods they are not using the property themselves).
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No one would dispute the added value to the Spanish economy of the sales of new homes and all the taxes and local expenditure that goes with it, but times have changed and there are no longer enough houses/apartments available to the local Spanish population. The government should have seen these long-term problems building up, but when did any elected government take a long-term view? Just look at the housing situation in the UK. However, Spain is very different from the UK in that it has hundreds of thousands of "second" homes built over the last 20 years or so, to the detriment of building low-cost affordable houses for Spanish families.
Something has to be done in the short term; if not, there will be more riots on the street. Sadly, as the UK labour government is now realising, trying to build houses cannot happen quickly. Spain, however, has a load of second homes that, by imposing punitive measures, can potentially be freed up for the families who need somewhere to actually live, rather than families (whether Spanish or not) using them for a few weeks of the year to lie in the sun, or mainly let them at crazy prices for a few weeks at a time to other sun worshippers.
Something has to be done in the short term; if not, there will be more riots on the street. Sadly, as the UK labour government is now realising, trying to build houses cannot happen quickly. Spain, however, has a load of second homes that, by imposing punitive measures, can potentially be freed up for the families who need somewhere to actually live, rather than families (whether Spanish or not) using them for a few weeks of the year to lie in the sun, or mainly let them at crazy prices for a few weeks at a time to other sun worshippers.
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No one would dispute the added value to the Spanish economy of the sales of new homes and all the taxes and local expenditure that goes with it, but times have changed and there are no longer enough houses/apartments available to the local Spanish population. The government should have seen these long-term problems building up, but when did any elected government take a long-term view? Just look at the housing situation in the UK. However, Spain is very different from the UK in that it has hundreds of thousands of "second" homes built over the last 20 years or so, to the detriment of building low-cost affordable houses for Spanish families.
Something has to be done in the short term; if not, there will be more riots on the street. Sadly, as the UK labour government is now realising, trying to build houses cannot happen quickly. Spain, however, has a load of second homes that, by imposing punitive measures, can potentially be freed up for the families who need somewhere to actually live, rather than families (whether Spanish or not) using them for a few weeks of the year to lie in the sun, or mainly let them at crazy prices for a few weeks at a time to other sun worshippers.
Something has to be done in the short term; if not, there will be more riots on the street. Sadly, as the UK labour government is now realising, trying to build houses cannot happen quickly. Spain, however, has a load of second homes that, by imposing punitive measures, can potentially be freed up for the families who need somewhere to actually live, rather than families (whether Spanish or not) using them for a few weeks of the year to lie in the sun, or mainly let them at crazy prices for a few weeks at a time to other sun worshippers.
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I really wish people would stop talking as if this proposal to impose much higher taxes on non resident, non EU property purchasers was the only measure the Sánchez Government is proposing to help alleviate the housing crisis. What about the measures designed to allow more social housing for affordable rents to be built, ensuring that properties built using public funds stay in public ownership, raising taxes on rental income received from short term tourist letting, giving income tax exemptions to landlords who are prepared to rent long term and restrict rent increases to the Official Price Index, etc?
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In our urbanisation, a mixture of apartments, attached and detached properties the recent purchasers have all been north European nationals who then spend more money on reforms. The sale price before the reform would be a challenge if not impossible for most Spanish families looking for a property to live in. So I don’t see the ‘proposed’ property tax changes being of immediate benefit as the market is unlikely to reduce given the spending power of some EU nationals.
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I really wish people would stop talking as if this proposal to impose much higher taxes on non resident, non EU property purchasers was the only measure the Sánchez Government is proposing to help alleviate the housing crisis. What about the measures designed to allow more social housing for affordable rents to be built, ensuring that properties built using public funds stay in public ownership, raising taxes on rental income received from short term tourist letting, giving income tax exemptions to landlords who are prepared to rent long term and restrict rent increases to the Official Price Index, etc?
No easy fix and some solutions can cause other problems.
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Quite right Lynn, they are all good proposals which are needed, but this thread has concentrated on the tax on second homes issue, which is highly contentious, which is why the majority of posts are focussing on it.
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In our urbanisation, a mixture of apartments, attached and detached properties the recent purchasers have all been north European nationals who then spend more money on reforms. The sale price before the reform would be a challenge if not impossible for most Spanish families looking for a property to live in. So I don’t see the ‘proposed’ property tax changes being of immediate benefit as the market is unlikely to reduce given the spending power of some EU nationals.
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BBC: Spain plans 100% tax for homes bought by non-EU residents
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The UK should tax all Spanish nationals 500% on rents and purchases going forward



