sorry but you've never heard me singing the praises of Britain, just the fact I am anti EU... My reasons for being so were not brought up by anyone who fought the leave campaign and have not been debated since

Nobody said otherwise.

Unfortunately though, that very same set of false premises you want to believe is precisely what led Britain into this mess.

But no worries, reality has a long history of sorting things out, even when it's not what you wanted to believe.

where is the mess ?

River in Egypt?

are you the type of person who panics like a headless chicken in the face of change or would you care to point me in the direction of the facts you assume I am denying......real facts and actual outcomes

De Tantic River?
De Mendesian River?
De Phatnytic river?
De Sebennytic river?
De Bolbitnic river?
De Canopic river?

Nope don't get it

Your entire viewpoint rests on an irrefutably false premise. Even worse, that same false premise is also blatantly hypocritical. It's the very nutshell of brexit.

Yet reality has been incrementally sinking in since the referendum. It's no longer a secret that Brexit can never deliver what was sold, because it was sold on false premises, like yours. And main event hasn't even started.

That you would continue in your denial isn't surprising. But reality will eventually sort it all out for you.

Good luck with that.

Apparently the Mess is a river flowing through Luxembourg. Probably the author of the post in question has insider information that states otherwise, or maybe they don't know their Luxors from their Luxembourgs. Easy mistake to make even for someone of such superior knowledge.

Ami you used to be an interesting informative poster before the referendum, unfortunately your character has changed vastly since.

Since your reasons for being anti-EU haven't been brought up or debated to date, would be interesting to learn what they are ?

Care to share ?

I can't help thinking that even though the EU is a total mess, if the UK had been in the position of influence that Germany holds,we'd have never heard the word Brexit

I think that's probably correct but the French ego would never have let it happen.....

But the UK has always exercised considerable influence in the EU, being a European economic power and net contributor. The main driving force behind the EU single market was Thatcher and the UK, just one example of many.

It's just never really been reported that way, hmmm. Couple that with an island mentality.

Had the English Channel been a ditch rather than filled with seawater, we'd identify more as being European, and probably keener to colead our 27 European neighbours.

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