Gibraltar
Jan 21st 2015, 8:33 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
You have a serious non-sequiter in your reasoning. Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory and not part of the UK so why on earth should it have the same tax regime as parts of the UK? The UK even has different tax regimes in it's different parts - ie Scotland (which is British) has different taxes from England (which is British). The same with every other British Overseas Territory. The tax regime suits the local economic environment.
So, in the UK tax is levied on the wealth making economic assets which include manufacturing, services, employment (income), natural resources etc etc. Gibraltar, since the reduction of the British naval presence east of Suez and the work in the Naval dockyard diminished, has had to be more imaginative about its tax-take as it does not have the same range of economic assets as the UK. So it taxes economic activity including (mainly) financial services and whatever service based industries it can attract by having appealing tax levels - including, for example - gambling and has spent some of these taxes implementing some of the best infrastructure to support these services. So why shouldn't they reap the benefits?
So, in the UK tax is levied on the wealth making economic assets which include manufacturing, services, employment (income), natural resources etc etc. Gibraltar, since the reduction of the British naval presence east of Suez and the work in the Naval dockyard diminished, has had to be more imaginative about its tax-take as it does not have the same range of economic assets as the UK. So it taxes economic activity including (mainly) financial services and whatever service based industries it can attract by having appealing tax levels - including, for example - gambling and has spent some of these taxes implementing some of the best infrastructure to support these services. So why shouldn't they reap the benefits?
Jan 21st 2015, 8:44 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
You have a serious non-sequiter in your reasoning. Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory and not part of the UK so why on earth should it have the same tax regime as parts of the UK? The UK even has different tax regimes in it's different parts - ie Scotland (which is British) has different taxes from England (which is British). The same with every other British Overseas Territory. The tax regime suits the local economic environment.
So, in the UK tax is levied on the wealth making economic assets which include manufacturing, services, employment (income), natural resources etc etc. Gibraltar, since the reduction of the British naval presence east of Suez and the work in the Naval dockyard diminished, has had to be more imaginative about its tax-take as it does not have the same range of economic assets as the UK. So it taxes economic activity including (mainly) financial services and whatever service based industries it can attract by having appealing tax levels - including, for example - gambling and has spent some of these taxes implementing some of the best infrastructure to support these services. So why shouldn't they reap the benefits?
So, in the UK tax is levied on the wealth making economic assets which include manufacturing, services, employment (income), natural resources etc etc. Gibraltar, since the reduction of the British naval presence east of Suez and the work in the Naval dockyard diminished, has had to be more imaginative about its tax-take as it does not have the same range of economic assets as the UK. So it taxes economic activity including (mainly) financial services and whatever service based industries it can attract by having appealing tax levels - including, for example - gambling and has spent some of these taxes implementing some of the best infrastructure to support these services. So why shouldn't they reap the benefits?
The discussion about tuna has proven yet again that Gibraltar's environmental excuse for some of its actions is just a pile of guano.
Gibraltar excused the famous dumping of the rocks as being done on environmental grounds to prevent the overfishing by a hand full of small Spanish vessels and to allow fish stocks to recover. Laudible if true !!
But what happens next Gibraltar awards itself a quota for one of the most endagered species in the world. Who benefits a few operators of sports fishing vessels. If Gibraltar was really concerned about the environment and fish stocks in its environs then the approach from the vested interests who now benefit from the quota would have been dismissed out of hand.
Jan 21st 2015, 8:49 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
But I'd argue competition is exactly what we need.
"protecting" us from competition will only make us complacent and uncompetitive - and cost us a fortune in subsidies and benefits - so taxes will have to go up, making us even less competitive. At some point, it all becomes unsustainable.
The EU begrudgingly seems to be warming up to that concept as of late. We're likely to finally see some measurable improvement in the next couple of years.
Jan 21st 2015, 8:53 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
It is the Gibraltrians who claim that they are British and keep running to the UK government for support in their Ruritainian dispute with Spain. My view is that the UK should demand a price for that support and that is an end to the special tax etc status that Gibraltar has given itself. The alternative is to become a fully idependent nation where it can do as it chooses.
The discussion about tuna has proven yet again that Gibraltar's environmental excuse for some of its actions is just a pile of guano.
Gibraltar excused the famous dumping of the rocks as being done on environmental grounds to prevent the overfishing by a hand full of small Spanish vessels and to allow fish stocks to recover. Laudible if true !!
But what happens next Gibraltar awards itself a quota for one of the most endagered species in the world. Who benefits a few operators of sports fishing vessels. If Gibraltar was really concerned about the environment and fish stocks in its environs then the approach from the vested interests who now benefit from the quota would have been dismissed out of hand.
The discussion about tuna has proven yet again that Gibraltar's environmental excuse for some of its actions is just a pile of guano.
Gibraltar excused the famous dumping of the rocks as being done on environmental grounds to prevent the overfishing by a hand full of small Spanish vessels and to allow fish stocks to recover. Laudible if true !!
But what happens next Gibraltar awards itself a quota for one of the most endagered species in the world. Who benefits a few operators of sports fishing vessels. If Gibraltar was really concerned about the environment and fish stocks in its environs then the approach from the vested interests who now benefit from the quota would have been dismissed out of hand.
I think you should move on to the next atrocity committed by Gib. The fish story isn't working for you. Really.
Jan 21st 2015, 9:00 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
It is the Gibraltrians who claim that they are British and keep running to the UK government for support in their Ruritainian dispute with Spain. My view is that the UK should demand a price for that support and that is an end to the special tax etc status that Gibraltar has given itself. The alternative is to become a fully idependent nation where it can do as it chooses.
The discussion about tuna has proven yet again that Gibraltar's environmental excuse for some of its actions is just a pile of guano.
Gibraltar excused the famous dumping of the rocks as being done on environmental grounds to prevent the overfishing by a hand full of small Spanish vessels and to allow fish stocks to recover. Laudible if true !!
But what happens next Gibraltar awards itself a quota for one of the most endagered species in the world. Who benefits a few operators of sports fishing vessels. If Gibraltar was really concerned about the environment and fish stocks in its environs then the approach from the vested interests who now benefit from the quota would have been dismissed out of hand.
The discussion about tuna has proven yet again that Gibraltar's environmental excuse for some of its actions is just a pile of guano.
Gibraltar excused the famous dumping of the rocks as being done on environmental grounds to prevent the overfishing by a hand full of small Spanish vessels and to allow fish stocks to recover. Laudible if true !!
But what happens next Gibraltar awards itself a quota for one of the most endagered species in the world. Who benefits a few operators of sports fishing vessels. If Gibraltar was really concerned about the environment and fish stocks in its environs then the approach from the vested interests who now benefit from the quota would have been dismissed out of hand.
Gibraltar does not keep running to the UK Government, it is part of the UK's commitment, which we locally feel is being mainly neglected.
Please write and ask your MP to put forward a motion to give Gibraltar it's independence we would welcome it.
I take it you do not agree with artificial reefs and marine protection which are worldwide?
We have not awarded ourselves a quota, what has been done is to reduce the quota from unlimited to a reasonable level.
Who are these with vested interests?
When are you going to address my previous questions sensible workable solutions?????
Or are you doing your usual of avoiding a subject you know nothing about whilst still trying to knife us in the back?
Jan 21st 2015, 9:16 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Fred even you must see that the claim that the reef was done for environmental reasons conflicts with Gibraltar awarding itself a quota for an endagered species. Please explain if you can the logic of that.
As for vested interests will those who catch the tuna which could be worth up to 500,000 dollars give the catch away or will they sell it.
As I have asked more than once what is the reason for Gibraltar giving itself a quota for bluefin where it excuses its behaviour on environmental grounds and seeks every opportunity to attack sometimes with justification the actions of Spain ??
Why will you not answer the points put to you.
As for vested interests will those who catch the tuna which could be worth up to 500,000 dollars give the catch away or will they sell it.
As I have asked more than once what is the reason for Gibraltar giving itself a quota for bluefin where it excuses its behaviour on environmental grounds and seeks every opportunity to attack sometimes with justification the actions of Spain ??
Why will you not answer the points put to you.
Jan 21st 2015, 9:19 pm
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The UK’s partnership with the Overseas Territories
There are 14 Overseas Territories which retain a constitutional link with the UK. Most of the Territories are largely self-governing, each with its own constitution and its own government, which enacts local laws. Although the relationship is rooted in four centuries of shared history, the UK government’s relationship with its Territories today is a modern one, based on mutual benefits and responsibilities. The foundations of this relationship are partnership, shared values and the right of the people of each territory to choose to freely choose whether to remain a British Overseas Territory or to seek an alternative future.
The UK’s fundamental responsibility is to ensure the security and good governance of the Territories and their peoples. This requires us, amongst other things, to promote the political, economic, social and educational advancement of the people of the Territories, to ensure their just treatment and their protection against abuses
https://www.gov.uk/government/polici...as-territories
Please note there is a link for further reading. This is something at least one contributor to this thread is incapable of, as well as being incapable of providing links to back up it's ravings
There are 14 Overseas Territories which retain a constitutional link with the UK. Most of the Territories are largely self-governing, each with its own constitution and its own government, which enacts local laws. Although the relationship is rooted in four centuries of shared history, the UK government’s relationship with its Territories today is a modern one, based on mutual benefits and responsibilities. The foundations of this relationship are partnership, shared values and the right of the people of each territory to choose to freely choose whether to remain a British Overseas Territory or to seek an alternative future.
The UK’s fundamental responsibility is to ensure the security and good governance of the Territories and their peoples. This requires us, amongst other things, to promote the political, economic, social and educational advancement of the people of the Territories, to ensure their just treatment and their protection against abuses
https://www.gov.uk/government/polici...as-territories
Please note there is a link for further reading. This is something at least one contributor to this thread is incapable of, as well as being incapable of providing links to back up it's ravings
Jan 21st 2015, 9:25 pm
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Jan 21st 2015, 9:49 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Some will view your post as cowardice but I believe that even you as the self appointed spokesman for Gibratarian affairs has no exp!anation for the duplicitous actions of your government. A government that has not got the sense to see that all it is doing is giving your neighbours more excuses to act as they do. You may want independence for GiB but I suspect that you are in a minority. It is the Britishness that is about its only attraction.
Jan 21st 2015, 9:55 pm
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Some will view your post as cowardice but I believe that even you as the self appointed spokesman for Gibratarian affairs has no exp!anation for the duplicitous actions of your government. A government that has not got the sense to see that all it is doing is giving your neighbours more excuses to act as they do. You may want independence for GiB but I suspect that you are in a minority. It is the Britishness that is about its only attraction.
Jan 21st 2015, 11:13 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Some will view your post as cowardice but I believe that even you as the self appointed spokesman for Gibratarian affairs has no exp!anation for the duplicitous actions of your government. A government that has not got the sense to see that all it is doing is giving your neighbours more excuses to act as they do. You may want independence for GiB but I suspect that you are in a minority. It is the Britishness that is about its only attraction.
NEW ATROCITY ALERT
OK then, let's talk about the "duplicitous actions"... That sounds like fun.
Jan 21st 2015, 11:55 pm
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Jan 22 – Frontier Workers Queue Pass Scheme “A Total Failure”
Thursday, 22 January 2015
The plan to issue cross-border workers with a special pass that would allow them to use the red lane to “fast-track” their transit though the Gib-Spain frontier has been described as a total failure after it was revealed that only 100 workers have signed up. This would only represent a tiny fraction of the thousands of workers who cross over every day.
This figure was provided by the Agencia Tributaria in response to parliamentary questions tabled in Madrid.
When the proposal was announced last July, unions and politicians on both sides of the border said it was a potentially discriminatory measure.
Salvador Molina, the president of ASTECG, is quoted by El Pais rejecting the scheme by calling it a “nonsensical proposal that wouldn’t work.”
Jan 22 – Frontier Workers Queue Pass Scheme “A Total Failure”
El Gobierno encalla en su intento de agilizar las colas en Gibraltar | España | EL PAÍS
Thursday, 22 January 2015
The plan to issue cross-border workers with a special pass that would allow them to use the red lane to “fast-track” their transit though the Gib-Spain frontier has been described as a total failure after it was revealed that only 100 workers have signed up. This would only represent a tiny fraction of the thousands of workers who cross over every day.
This figure was provided by the Agencia Tributaria in response to parliamentary questions tabled in Madrid.
When the proposal was announced last July, unions and politicians on both sides of the border said it was a potentially discriminatory measure.
Salvador Molina, the president of ASTECG, is quoted by El Pais rejecting the scheme by calling it a “nonsensical proposal that wouldn’t work.”
Jan 22 – Frontier Workers Queue Pass Scheme “A Total Failure”
El Gobierno encalla en su intento de agilizar las colas en Gibraltar | España | EL PAÍS
Jan 22nd 2015, 12:29 am
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Re: Gibraltar
EMR. Your posts look a bit fishy to me, but don't they always.
Is it only Gib catching Bluefin tuna you object to, or is it the actual catching of the Bluefin tuna worldwide you object to?
Is it only Gib catching Bluefin tuna you object to, or is it the actual catching of the Bluefin tuna worldwide you object to?
Jan 22nd 2015, 12:57 am
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Fred even you must see that the claim that the reef was done for environmental reasons conflicts with Gibraltar awarding itself a quota for an endagered species. Please explain if you can the logic of that.
As for vested interests will those who catch the tuna which could be worth up to 500,000 dollars give the catch away or will they sell it.
As I have asked more than once what is the reason for Gibraltar giving itself a quota for bluefin where it excuses its behaviour on environmental grounds and seeks every opportunity to attack sometimes with justification the actions of Spain ??
Why will you not answer the points put to you.
As for vested interests will those who catch the tuna which could be worth up to 500,000 dollars give the catch away or will they sell it.
As I have asked more than once what is the reason for Gibraltar giving itself a quota for bluefin where it excuses its behaviour on environmental grounds and seeks every opportunity to attack sometimes with justification the actions of Spain ??
Why will you not answer the points put to you.
Jan 22nd 2015, 1:23 am
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