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Old Nov 26th 2012, 9:44 am
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The foster parents are members of a party who want all Europeans to leave the UK and "go back to where they came from"

The children the couple were fostering were of non-British European origin

Imo the social workers were looking out for the children. Imagine growing up in a household with people who are violently oposed to your very existance in "their" country
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The foster parents are members of a party who want all Europeans to leave the UK and "go back to where they came from"

The children the couple were fostering were of non-British European origin

Imo the social workers were looking out for the children. Imagine growing up in a household with people who are violently oposed to your very existance in "their" country
What absolute crap.

Do you think these foster parents would have given these kids such loving care and attention if they were "violently opposed to their existance in their country" ??????
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
None of this, whether I agree with it or not, has ANYTHING to do with the situation of those 3 children. You have failed entirely to answer the question - would it be a good situation for children from an EU migrant background to be in a household where their foster parents might reasonably be assumed (and I think it would be a reasonable assumption given that they have reportedly joined a party which as one of it's main policies overtly opposes immigration from EU member states, not just voted for it or expressed support for it) to make comment on, say items on the TV news or in newspapers which would send messages to those confused and vulnerable children that their foster parents don't think people from the children's country of origin should be allowed to come to settle in Britain. How could they do that and then turn around and say "but we don't mean you, dear". I don't think children could be expected to understand that, do you?

You are conflating UKIP with xenophobia or even racism, and I don't think that is their thinking. It's perfectly possible to celebrate Europe's diversity while not wanting to be locked in economically, and open immigration is part of that. If the children are being fostered here by British parents, then they should be brought up generally British and not have their country of origin constantly differentiating them. Also, bear in mind, that a lot of foster parents do fostering mainly as a means of income, so it not nearly as sinister as you fear.
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What absolute crap.

Do you think these foster parents would have given these kids such loving care and attention if they were "violently opposed to their existance in their country" ??????
How do you know that they were receiving loving care and attention. Do you have access to their records?

I havent a clue whether social services did the right thing, but it is easy to see why they were concerned
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How do you know that they were receiving loving care and attention. Do you have access to their records?

I havent a clue whether social services did the right thing, but it is easy to see why they were concerned
All parties oncerned seem to agree on that fact.
If there was any good reason other than blatant political bias for taking the action they did, I have little doubt it would have been in their own interests to say so by now.
The way you are trying to excuse their actions, simply indicates that you are yet another one who considers politics to be more important than correct care and attention.
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All parties oncerned seem to agree on that fact.
Yes, they would seem to have a good track record.
It beggars belief that after an exhaustive screening process, and taking in roughly a dozen children, many from very difficult backgrounds, the seemingly blameless couple at the centre of the story could be told that they were unfit to be foster parents
"There was no issue over the quality of care," Thacker said, insisting the only problem with the couple was their Ukip membership and the party's stance on immigration. "
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How do you know that they were receiving loving care and attention. Do you have access to their records?

I havent a clue whether social services did the right thing, but it is easy to see why they were concerned
the foster parents were carefully vetted and selected to take on these children. One has to assume they would provide loving care and attention or else they wouldn't have been allowed to take the children nor have passed the early process inspections.
perhaps you think they just take children into their home to get dollybird social services workers round their house for a bit of hankypanky ?

the whole thing blew up because as was reported in the UK national press, social services received an anonymous report the couple were members of UKIP and over reacted - as appears to be the usual response, rather than taking a more realistic approach. But then as this is a Labour council with funny ideas perhaps to be expected.

IMO UKIP has some good ideas as do BNP and Tory and Labour and Lib-Dem.
At least Mr Farage is standing up for the rights of the common people (not just UK but of Europe as a whole, demanding the unelected boys club justify every €uro they spend, enquiring how they came about many actions without discussing it within the chamber first and getting the full parliament approval.
He is refusing to kowtow to that boys club and wants answers which is embarrassing to some, especially the French and Germans.
Just remember he is doing that on his own, without support from the UK's other "leading" parties, and also without support from other countries like Spain.
Just go to Youtube and listen to his speeches and understand (if that is possible) that he is actually the good guy in all this - a boys club that can't manage to get its accounts thru the auditors for 18 years is a thing to worry about. Especially when the CAP is dead and buried, just called another name and every other Frenchman receives payments from it for their 6 chickens.

The interest of the kids is not being served by arbitrary political nonsense levied against these foster parents, who despite there being a shortage of people coming forward (I wonder why) have managed to pass all the checks, hurdles etc but will now be blacklisted through no fault of their own.

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I think it's a fair assumption based on the evidence to date that if the Social Services in the S.Yorkshire Peoples Republic have the faintest inkling that the political views of prospective foster parents do not agree with their own Socialist indoctrination, then their chances are somewhere between very slim and zero.

I wonder how many other well meaning suitable prospective foster parents are being cast aside ?

Shades of Francoism, when he adopted a similar political policy in reverse.
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I think it's a fair assumption based on the evidence to date that if the Social Services in the S.Yorkshire Peoples Republic have the faintest inkling that the political views of prospective foster parents do not agree with their own Socialist indoctrination, then their chances are somewhere between very slim and zero.

I wonder how many other well meaning suitable prospective foster parents are being cast aside ?
From today's webpage.

In Rotherham itself, the sickening sexual enslavement of under-age white girls by organised prostitution and pimping rings was largely ignored for more than two decades, in part because the abusers came overwhelmingly from Pakistani Muslim backgrounds.
And for years, would-be adoptive parents have been turned down by social workers because they are deemed to be too white, too middle class or in some other way fall foul of the politically correct inquisition.
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UKIP immigration policy

An immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement.
After the five-year freeze, a strictly controlled, points-based system similar to Australia to be introduced.
An aspiration to ensure that future immigration does not exceed 50,000 people a year.
Regain control of UK borders by leaving the EU.
Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights.
Ensure British benefits are available only to UK citizens or those who have lived here for at least five years.
End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government

SOURCE: UKIP website

I don't see anything racist there. Plus UKIPs Croydon candidate is Winston McKenzie.

No apology today from Rotherham. I bet no one resigns or gets sacked. No onbe ever does - no accountability anymore.

Maybe the report will conclude that if it is a labour run cuncil all foster parents must belong to the Labour party. Ditto if it is a Conservative run council. That would avoid difficulties.
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
None of this, whether I agree with it or not, has ANYTHING to do with the situation of those 3 children. You have failed entirely to answer the question - would it be a good situation for children from an EU migrant background to be in a household where their foster parents might reasonably be assumed (and I think it would be a reasonable assumption given that they have reportedly joined a party which as one of it's main policies overtly opposes immigration from EU member states, not just voted for it or expressed support for it) to make comment on, say items on the TV news or in newspapers which would send messages to those confused and vulnerable children that their foster parents don't think people from the children's country of origin should be allowed to come to settle in Britain. How could they do that and then turn around and say "but we don't mean you, dear". I don't think children could be expected to understand that, do you?
Thanks Lynn, you've expressed this much better than I could, but I'm not very bright apparently.
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Thanks Lynn, you've expressed this much better than I could, but I'm not very bright apparently.
Does that mean you agree with the removal of these children for political reasons ? (shades of Francoism).

As pointed out, Lynns personal interpretation of UKIP policy appears to be at odds with their actual official policy.

Why not study UKIPs official policy for accurate guidance ?
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You are conflating UKIP with xenophobia or even racism, and I don't think that is their thinking. It's perfectly possible to celebrate Europe's diversity while not wanting to be locked in economically, and open immigration is part of that. If the children are being fostered here by British parents, then they should be brought up generally British and not have their country of origin constantly differentiating them. Also, bear in mind, that a lot of foster parents do fostering mainly as a means of income, so it not nearly as sinister as you fear.
I think it's naive to suggest UKIP isn't racist. It dresses up its policies in terms that are acceptable to the Tory voters it is trying to attract, but it is about much more than controlling immigration. They are opposed to multiculturalism, in favour of forced repatriation and according to a recent survey, 31% of their members would endorse violence to defend their "Britishness".

Activists were asked whether they thought various actions, such as planning for violence and engaging in armed conflict, are justifiable when defending the national way of life. Over 50 per cent of the BNP supporters in our sample viewed this action as always or sometimes justifiable, compared to 31 per cent of followers of the more moderate UK Independence Party (UKIP).
I'm not suggesting these children should have been removed from their foster parents purely because they had joined UKIP, but don't let's pretend UKIP are only worried about population numbers and the EU budget.
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I think it's naive to suggest UKIP isn't racist. It dresses up its policies in terms that are acceptable to the Tory voters it is trying to attract, but it is about much more than controlling immigration. They are opposed to multiculturalism, in favour of forced repatriation and according to a recent survey, 31% of their members would endorse violence to defend their "Britishness".



I'm not suggesting these children should have been removed from their foster parents purely because they had joined UKIP, but don't let's pretend UKIP are only worried about population numbers and the EU budget.
But that is what has happened in this case.

The excuse that the children might overhear a conversation between the foster parents about people not being welcome in the UK, and the foster parents having to explain that is does not apply to them is a bit of a lame reason for taking them from a good foster home.

I managed to live at home with my parents until adulthood without knowing much or anything about their political views.
It is not that they kept it hidden away from me, it is just not an everyday topic that parents discuss at length between themselves, and even less a foster parent who has even more things to take care of than a natural parent.

they have to register the child or children with school, doctor, dentist, see social workers, attent meetings, and probably does not have the time to sit and discuss the policies of UKIP or any other political party for that matter.

Some of the comments on here make me wonder if those posters have any common sense where children are concerned, because an adult with any brain can keep their private lives, private. Which includes political views, as well as a host of other issues.
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Some of the comments on here make me wonder if those posters have any common sense where children are concerned, because an adult with any brain can keep their private lives, private. Which includes political views, as well as a host of other issues.
Come off it

When raising children, your personal opinions are inherent to their upbringing

I agree that using commen sense, it could have been concuded that the children would have been better off with these foster parents than with none at all, or that moving them again would cause too much trauma

However, you cannot hide that UKIP supporters simply want non-British people out of their country, so they would not be appropriate as foster parents of non-British children - and actually I would say that they would not be approporiate parents to any child
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