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I am sorry you have been in several UK health centres the past couple of months and I hope you get well soon. Tell me, did you have to queue in the damp and cold at six in the morning just to get an appointment to see the doctor? If you did then it couldn’t have been the fault of those nasty returning Brits because, as I have already indicated, more Brits have left the UK than arrived. You say you did not notice anything that would indicate mass immigration at all? How do you come to this conclusion? Did you ask the patients where they all came from? I am also interested in where these several health centres are located.

Incidentally, if you do not like the discussion then do not discuss. As you can see a poster before me mentioned the impact returning Brits has on immigration to the UK, or doesn’t have, and I am replying. The thread is actually about British immigration to the UK. Exodus from Spain = immigration to the UK (in most cases). If you have nothing to add then so be it. But do not try to censor me for discussing in a sensible way.

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I am pretty sure that the only source of the data is the local Padron as that is the official census.

There are many examples recently of various municipalities insisting on everyone re-registering every two years, although, strictly speaking they should not do this.

As a result, many people either decide they can't be bothered with renewing and stay or more likely many people who actually moved out years ago or died are now being purged from the Padron.

Either way I would suggest that any figures published are seriously questionable.

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:goodpost:m[QUOTE=Fred James;11520600]I am pretty sure that the only source of the data is the local Padron as that is the official census.

There are many examples recently of various municipalities insisting on everyone re-registering every two years, although, strictly speaking they should not do this.

As a result, many people either decide they can't be bothered with renewing and stay or more likely many people who actually moved out years ago or died are now being purged from the Padron.

Either way I would suggest that any figures published are seriously questionable.[/QUOTE.

Most of the figures published are tosh and are used by all of us to support whatever views we may hold.
Lies lies and damn
statistics !!

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[QUOTE=EMR;11520605]:goodpost:mHold on a minute. Here you go again, floating along in your own little fantasy world. When your argument has been demolished you say everything is tosh. I am quoting from official statistics. More Brits are leaving the UK than arriving. Do you believe that is correct? If not, show me something that says otherwise. Other than that, you are wrong again.

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Yes, but as I pointed out, there is a serious possibility that the statistics are wrong as they are entirely based on the Padron which most of us know bears no resemblance to reality.

In the past hundreds of thousands of holiday home owners were encouraged to sign on the Paron as that enabled the locality to get more funding from central government. This has been going on for years and now the government is trying to clean up the mess by asking some localities to revise their records. That is not tosh - it is a fact.

Even on this forum, non residents have been advised that they may have to sign on the Padron to enable them to buy a car.

The Padron is a joke and all these statistics are based on it - there is no other way the government have any idea who (in theory) lives where.

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We don't actually know what HBG was basing his OP on - he may have another source.

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[QUOTE=la mancha;11520621]You are missing the point and prove mine that figures can be interpreted to suit any agenda. You believe that all the ills of the UK can be attributed to immigration others know that it is fare more complicated than that. There are those on the Spanish forum who view the " exodus " of Brits as supporting their views of Spain. If you know anything about statistics it is that they are only as good as the people who collect them and the criteria they select. .

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Not on my behalf - someone else's.

No - no queuing for the doctor at all - several appointments all very easy. Some waiting at specialist clinics.

I didn't come to any conclusion and I certainly didn't ask where all the patients had come from. I was merely commenting on your assertion that walking into a health centre would be a far more reliable source.

Thinking about it though, 90% of the people waiting did have one thing in common - they were old. I wonder if that is significant?

Yes - I did see that the poster previous to you had taken the topic to UK immigration which is why I mentioned it - nothing to do with you.

No - the thread is not about immigration to the UK which is a huge separate subject with ramifications way beyond expats leaving Spain. Anyone can see that the point of the thread is to discuss that why it's happening - IF it is, and not about perceived problems with UK immigration.

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Quoting this to SORT THE BLOODY QUOTES OUT!!

...ahem...

Also - that is not the only point he is missing. The thread is about a perceived exodus of Brits from Spain NOT about problems caused by immigration to the UK.

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Jimenato

I am still waiting to find out where these several health centres are.

So 90% of the people were old, were they? So what?

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Bristol and West Country although I don't see why that's significant.

You said this...

So - I have 'walked into health centres'.

I'm not sure what it is supposed to be a 'reliable source' of but can only assume you mean evidence of 'UK population increasing due to mass immigration'.

Again, I'm not sure what I would be looking for in a health centre as evidence of mass immigration, nor that it is causing population increase, but what was obvious was that the huge majority there were old.

This could explain a) why the population is increasing (people living longer) and b) full waiting rooms (old people require more healthcare).

What's this got to do with mass immigration?

And what has any of it got to do with an exodus from Spain?

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Anyway - I know of several people who have returned to the UK from Spain over the last few years.

There are various reasons - a couple have been in bad health and preferred the UK NHS to the Spanish version - probably a language angle as well.

At least two people I know have gone because of the 720 declaration (they are both very wealthy).

More have gone because of a desire to be near grandchildren.

I'm not aware of a mass exodus.

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I know a few people who have gone back in the past year or so. All have found it hard to settle and one lot has even returned although they were struggling financially here.

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Let’s get one thing straight. A forum is for discussion. Barring swearing, insults, libellous statements etc. people can discuss. Many discussions go off-thread; that is the attraction of a discussion on a forum. Many times I have read discussions here that go off-thread but I read what is being said and learn. This thread is about an exodus from Spain (and I do not agree nor disagree with this statement), and goes hand-in-hand with immigration to the UK, as in Brits immigrating back to the UK (government wording, not mine).

I have read posts on here stating the effects of 100,000 returning Brits (will have) on local resources etc, and another 100,000 users of the UK health, education, benefits etc is a strain on the UK. These statements are wrong and I said so.

I like to know things, so I did a little research and found that far from returning Brits immigrating to the UK and straining local resources, there are in fact more Brits emigrating than immigrating back to the UK. Don’t you find that interesting because I do as it is something that I did not know before, and judging by some of the posts I have read, neither did many others.

You say this thread is about a perceived exodus of Brits from Spain and not about problems caused by immigration to the UK. Don’t they go hand in hand when posters question the rise in returning Brits with a strain on local UK services? Would you not also agree that if a poster posts a false statement then I cannot answer it because you think it is off-thread?

I have read the last two posts and they are quite correct. And?

Some here try to widen the scope to bring more posters into the discussion while still keeping within the parameters of the thread. It now seems to be dead in the water.

Thanks a lot.

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Unfortunately this thread moved away from HBG's original post very quickly and somehow became a thread on uk immigration and they only go in one direction.:thumbdown: