surreygirl

Anyone doing the cleaning will be employed, cleaning company or not. It only matters in that we need a good job done and not be messed about, knowing the day etc.

I just wanted to know if it is legal or not for an Agent to propose such a thing and what are the consequences it is all very well saying pay "black" money but that is the whole reason Spain is in such a mess and in the end of it is a neighbour doing the cleaning if they dont do a good job and you have to say something it can be difficult

missile

We have cleaners at our UK address. They are so poor that we end up doing it ourselves when we are there. Which is bit like keeping a dog and barking.

I do know it can be difficult. Absentee owners, landlords and tenants seem to take little interest in maintenance issues. I hope you find a satisfactory resolution to your problem.

surreygirl

You are right about that there is no interest in attending the meetings at all and it is left to the few who go to make decisions and then when you make it you get it in the neck. However for practical purposes and so that I can make a decision I want to know the law. The company that is going to be doing the cleaning is highly recommended, which is more than I can say about the lady the Agent had doing it so as it is not legal the answer is simple. The company wins. The thing is for me is that if you want work than do a job properly dont think that the job is yours just because you have been doing it. No one owes you a living. Make an effort and take nothing for granted. Thats my mottoo anyway. (and I am sticking to it)

missile

That sounds good to me. I never like employing a friend of a friend. It invariably causes tension and you end up losing the friend as well as the employee.

surreygirl

No you are right it has led to a lot of nastiness. It should never have happened in the first place she should never have been given the work to do in the first place so that we are compromised by the situation.

snikpoh

You're right, I was just giving the legal stand point.

I quite agree that many (if not all) people who employee cleaners, gardeners etc. don't bother with the legalities and just pay cash-in-hand.

missbusybusy

out of interest what do you have to pay for a cleaner that is autonomo against employing a company ?

HBG

Even to make the calculation is pretty silly, so I won't add to it, but for a part time cleaner working for a couple of hours a day to pay autonomo is ridiculous, they would have to charge something like 30 Euros an hour to get out of bed in the morning.

Part-time cleaners are paid cash in hand. The world over.

mathos88

It doesn't matter whether employing the cleaner was suggested by an agent or not. In the end its the Junta de Propietario's decision whether to hire a cleaning agency or give the work to someone from the Community.

However, should one of the residents take it on themselves to do the cleaning, it is quite common for Work Inspections to come to check the different blocks (usually because one fo the neighbours has informed them of the situation). If this neighbour is not on Social Security, the Community could be fined.

Rosemary

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surreygirl

That of course is one of the problems and that is they simply dont care if they only come out a few times a year. Mind you when it comes to selling that is a different matter altogether. And thank you - hopefully - but I am not expecting a great deal.