EES & ETIAS update and explanation
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I think this is a useful update and explanation of the ongoing border control saga
https://visasnews.com/en/etias-vs-ee...nt-objectives/
https://visasnews.com/en/etias-vs-ee...nt-objectives/
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I think this is a useful update and explanation of the ongoing border control saga
https://visasnews.com/en/etias-vs-ee...nt-objectives/
https://visasnews.com/en/etias-vs-ee...nt-objectives/
She asked me if the EU one was needed as they couldn't find any information anywhere about it.
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I don't know why the EES hasn't already been implemented. The UK version is now up and running as my daughters Australian Husband has just done this for their trip back to the UK in April.
She asked me if the EU one was needed as they couldn't find any information anywhere about it.
She asked me if the EU one was needed as they couldn't find any information anywhere about it.
UK version is completely different system, but use same idea.
It is not fair to try to compare deployment of one country to Schengen union of 25 states. Do you have any idea how challenging is to get 25 different states to integrate in to one single border system???
ONLY official website on matter. https://travel-europe.europa.eu/index_en
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Setting aside above link to unofficial website, delay is due to 3 large EU state not being ready.
UK version is completely different system, but use same idea.
It is not fair to try to compare deployment of one country to Schengen union of 25 states. Do you have any idea how challenging is to get 25 different states to integrate in to one single border system???
ONLY official website on matter. https://travel-europe.europa.eu/index_en
UK version is completely different system, but use same idea.
It is not fair to try to compare deployment of one country to Schengen union of 25 states. Do you have any idea how challenging is to get 25 different states to integrate in to one single border system???
ONLY official website on matter. https://travel-europe.europa.eu/index_en
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Setting aside above link to unofficial website, delay is due to 3 large EU state not being ready.
UK version is completely different system, but use same idea.
It is not fair to try to compare deployment of one country to Schengen union of 25 states. Do you have any idea how challenging is to get 25 different states to integrate in to one single border system???
ONLY official website on matter. https://travel-europe.europa.eu/index_en
UK version is completely different system, but use same idea.
It is not fair to try to compare deployment of one country to Schengen union of 25 states. Do you have any idea how challenging is to get 25 different states to integrate in to one single border system???
ONLY official website on matter. https://travel-europe.europa.eu/index_en
The UK EES is the same one the EU are putting as most of the work was completed on this before the UK left the EU.
It is and has been ready to roll for ages.
Its just the EU wanted to bring it all on line at once. Not a good idea ever.
ALL and I mean ALL of the delays have been due to the systems not being compatible. EVEN the official website mentioned this a couple of years ago.
The last delay was due to France whinging about loosing tourists coming over for the olympics.
Come on if security were that important the rest of the EU would have told them no we need to get on with it.
This is from ETIAS official website..
https://etias.com/articles/eu%E2%80%...iate%20rollout.
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Recall that EES was originally slated to come into force in 2022.
Don't know who the 3 countries are but you can safely bet that France will be one of them, they are congenitally late for everything!
Don't know who the 3 countries are but you can safely bet that France will be one of them, they are congenitally late for everything!
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Its the ETIAS system that has been delaying the rolling out of the system
The UK EES is the same one the EU are putting as most of the work was completed on this before the UK left the EU.
It is and has been ready to roll for ages.
Its just the EU wanted to bring it all on line at once. Not a good idea ever.
ALL and I mean ALL of the delays have been due to the systems not being compatible. EVEN the official website mentioned this a couple of years ago.
The last delay was due to France whinging about loosing tourists coming over for the olympics.
Come on if security were that important the rest of the EU would have told them no we need to get on with it.
This is from ETIAS official website..
https://etias.com/articles/eu%E2%80%...iate%20rollout.
The UK EES is the same one the EU are putting as most of the work was completed on this before the UK left the EU.
It is and has been ready to roll for ages.
Its just the EU wanted to bring it all on line at once. Not a good idea ever.
ALL and I mean ALL of the delays have been due to the systems not being compatible. EVEN the official website mentioned this a couple of years ago.
The last delay was due to France whinging about loosing tourists coming over for the olympics.
Come on if security were that important the rest of the EU would have told them no we need to get on with it.
This is from ETIAS official website..
https://etias.com/articles/eu%E2%80%...iate%20rollout.
ETIAS fully depends on EES, so untill EES is fully working and deployed, ETIAS cant be activated.
EES was never ready "for ages". Many states only got biometrics terminals deployed last year.
Security is important, but you cant just force it down the throat of state that is behing.
Also, you link is not from official website. Just because it has word ETIAS, doesnt make it legit. Its just click-bait anonymous site, own by who knows who, with mail address in Arizona.
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Sorry but your info is all wrong.
ETIAS fully depends on EES, so untill EES is fully working and deployed, ETIAS cant be activated.
EES was never ready "for ages". Many states only got biometrics terminals deployed last year.
Security is important, but you cant just force it down the throat of state that is behing.
Also, you link is not from official website. Just because it has word ETIAS, doesnt make it legit. Its just click-bait anonymous site, own by who knows who, with mail address in Arizona.
ETIAS fully depends on EES, so untill EES is fully working and deployed, ETIAS cant be activated.
EES was never ready "for ages". Many states only got biometrics terminals deployed last year.
Security is important, but you cant just force it down the throat of state that is behing.
Also, you link is not from official website. Just because it has word ETIAS, doesnt make it legit. Its just click-bait anonymous site, own by who knows who, with mail address in Arizona.
Please post the web address for the 'official' site so I and others can educate ourselves.
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I looked at the official site, and was surprised that EU residency is NOT enough for EES not to be applicable to you. There are additional requirements.
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees/...s-not-apply_en
I say residency, as both residency cards and residency permits are mentioned, but there is no description of how they differ.
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees/...s-not-apply_en
I say residency, as both residency cards and residency permits are mentioned, but there is no description of how they differ.
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I looked at the official site, and was surprised that EU residency is NOT enough for EES not to be applicable to you. There are additional requirements.
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees/...s-not-apply_en
I say residency, as both residency cards and residency permits are mentioned, but there is no description of how they differ.
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees/...s-not-apply_en
I say residency, as both residency cards and residency permits are mentioned, but there is no description of how they differ.
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I looked at the official site, and was surprised that EU residency is NOT enough for EES not to be applicable to you. There are additional requirements.
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees/...s-not-apply_en
I say residency, as both residency cards and residency permits are mentioned, but there is no description of how they differ.
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees/...s-not-apply_en
I say residency, as both residency cards and residency permits are mentioned, but there is no description of how they differ.
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If you have Spanish residency then none of this really matters. I mean it's good that they're implementing a system of registering everyone coming in and out as the EU should know exactly what's going on with the movement of people.



