That is not the only solution, but people in the West will have to work a darn sight harder than they do today or the roles will be reversed and the West will end up servants of the East.
My personal experiences of 100+ hours a week are less than 50 years old.
The world now has a population in excess of 7 billion, most of whom are starving or near to it. A lot of these people are seeing how the West lives via TV and internet and they want a slice of it, most will settle for a smaller slice than the average westerner that is why the Chinese and others have moved here.

My advice is to buy a plot of land in Spain, preferrably one whether the weather isnt so harsh and that has fertile land

Make sure the building is well insulated. Then stock it out with mod-cons

Then aim to live the way your grandparents did. You will have a big advantage because you will have washing machines, electricity, running water etc. You can do all this for about 100K. Then you'll have a head start for when the people start heading back to the villages which I can see in the next 10 years

Spain has a huge natural resource that it has ignored through the boom years. Thousands of wonderful villages surrounded by fertile land. Use the wealth people have built up to move out the cities and back there. The quality of life will be way better than being paid misrable wages in an ugly neighbourhood of the city - and eventually you and your children will be happier

I'm seriously thinking about it, as long as I can take my internet

Yes, so is my mother's experience.

OK, let's make sure that everybody's life, everywhere, is sh**. At least the working people. That will certainly help.

From what Ihave seen the chinese seem to have "todo"shops, part stationary, tools, clothes, wool, cleaning stuff, gifts etc, and the Spanish shops Iknow that have these type of shops dont sell booze either, so I dont know what they are on about........

So could you please tell me that if you are all living the good life, how will you pay the bills for the intenet, and pay inheritance taxes when the oldies die, and how can the family contribute to the SS to be able to get a penison when they are too old to shovel S**t.

Westerners have only had a "luxurious quality of life" over the past 50 years or so at the expense of the rest of the world

The rest of the world are now catching up and so Western consumption will drop. It may never go back to 2005-7 levels, ever. The reason is because there are not enough natural resources to allow 7 billion humans to have all the mod cons, energy etc.

This is it folks, you will never have more money than you used to have. So use what is left to invest in a more self-sufficient lifestyle. Noone is going to pay you thousands of pounds/euros per month anymore for doing work that Chinese or Indians can do for a tenth of the cost.

This is a paradigm shift. Change your way of thinking and you'll be fine!

Really

What old tat from China does anyone in the West need?

Well yes, that is how our quality of life will decrease

Internet will be OK, the price here will drop and drop.

Inheritance taxes arent relevant, you only pay them on the assets that are left - and dont include your main residence.

Healthcare will be a big issue, it will get worse. Pensions, well, families need to work together and look after their predecessors. It doesnt cost a lot to have your parents living in the spare room especially if they look after the children

Anyway, we'll see a move back to extended families, 2-3 person households need more money to hire childcare, cleaners etc which they wont have

I am not talking about looking after the old that will be a minor consideration.

I am talking about the young, you are advocating a small holding system.

2 people buy what they can for 100k,as you suggest.
They work the land andeat well, anysuplus will not be sold to the neighbours because they will be doing the same thing.
Taking the suff to market is a differnet ball game, need to be self employed and paying into system (with what money)

Land sustains one couple.

2 children are born to couple,

They are an expense, (with what money)

Land sustains 4 people

When kids are old enough they work the land, they marry the neighbours kids.

Land sustains 6 people,

Each couple have 2 kids.

Land sustains 10 people

So now we are up to the grand children.

Each grandchild marries, but some go to live with in laws, but 2 grandchildren couples remain.

they have 2 children each.

Land sustains 14 people, by now the mod cons that were bought are just about knackered and need to be replaced.............house needs an extension unless we go the whole hog and have multi couple bedrooms like eskimos or whoever.

Now the oldies die, after being looked after by the family, are they going to be buried in the veggie patch, or what as funerals have to be paid for in cash.

It doesnt work like that. Population growth is actually negative in Spain meaning that the land need not have to support more and more people

Obviously the first set of land should be able to support an extended family of say, 10. Then as people marry out, then that means new investment/assets. Expecially if your children marry well

And as young people move out then you can sell a few cows and buy more land for them if you want to.

This is how the system works the world over - and has done for the past 20,000 years.

I should add that with negative population growth and limited credit, assets become much much cheaper, so you may find that 10 cows buy you another 2000 square meters of land.

I think you are way behind the times.
The Chinese have been getting into the quality hi-tec market for quite a while now.

For instance the have bought out and taken over the highly rated Swedish Motor Industry.
They now own both Saab and Volvo and have already begun the process of switching production to China.

I would never under estimate them and IMHO it's simply a matter of time before they take over the West, lock stock and barrel.

They have been doing it for thousands of years, living in dire poverty and many of them starving. Read a bit about life in the spanish campo until about 30 yrs ago. How would the kids "marry well", do you mean "well" as in someone whose family has 12 cows instead of your ten

Well I'd be a little more ambitious than that

There is an inbetween state, based on sustainability and knowledge. Or at least I hope there is!

this wins the prize for the most ludicrous post.............yes it often happens that "landed gentry" marry well, but we are talking about a small holding scraping by feeding a gang with and investment of 100k, yourfiguers.

Also the "children marrying well", is as out dated as your "good life" logic.
Basically children will become a "commodity" to be sold to an older affluent partner to secure a comfortable life.

Most people who had that type of life in the past married for convenience, or for the good of the family coffers.


I really think that you are living in cloud cookoo land.

Way behing the times

All the tat comes from China, but so does the Hi-tech. Simply everything except high quality clothing and cars comes from there

Look at your iPhone, computer or digital camera. Almost all are made in China