Crime and the crisis
May 6th 2010 | 3:57 am
#76
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Re: Crime and the crisis
Because we are all in different places at different times. I have been acused of making wild claims when I tell of thinkgs that have actually happened, Some on here demand articles to back things up.
I dont like to google facts I feel that I get more of an insight by speaking and listening, google is impersonal and does not take into account the impact at street level.
May 6th 2010 | 4:00 am
#77
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Re: Crime and the crisis
Now I could easily believe that 10% of brits in Spain are criminals...just my opinion though
May 6th 2010 | 4:01 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
I gave the example of two elderley relatives of mine, not tourrists, living in their own homes in Galicia (which really only has a lagre infulx of tourists during the summer months, but has crime all year round, so how do you explain that one.
How come you are such an expert, are you one of us, Spanish?
Seen one: Ive been one one numerous occasions.
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Well, I for one think that I have more of an insight into the Spanish view of life and crime, and social matters, than most on here. I have had a few first hand experiences, but know lots of folks (fam and freinds) that have told me their versions of events, so I dont google, I form my opinions from street talk, listening and such.
And who the hell are you to call my claims wild?
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We are all entitled to an opinion, but do you have any evidence to support these claims?
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JFLS> One of the reasons that beggars have not been mugged is because a lot of beggars are part of an organised gang.... the EE are a very organised lot and have revolutionised begging
like 25%, 50%, 75% ????? Very few of the beggars I have seen are EE origin. Are you suggesting that the hispanic beggars work for an EE mafia ring?
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JFLS> One of the reasons that beggars have not been mugged is because a lot of beggars are part of an organised gang.... the EE are a very organised lot and have revolutionised begging
like 25%, 50%, 75% ????? Very few of the beggars I have seen are EE origin. Are you suggesting that the hispanic beggars work for an EE mafia ring?
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May 6th 2010 | 4:05 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
Btw JLFS is Spanish when he wants to be - and British when he wants to be. I often disagree with him, but also he often gives valuable insight.
May 6th 2010 | 4:09 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
But does it give people a right to express an opinion about British Expats? Or give an opinion on the opinions of BritishExpats?
Btw JLFS is Spanish when he wants to be - and British when he wants to be. I often disagree with him, but also he often gives valuable insight.
Btw JLFS is Spanish when he wants to be - and British when he wants to be. I often disagree with him, but also he often gives valuable insight.
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May 6th 2010 | 4:12 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
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This forum is BritishExpat.com so being spanish does not confer you any right to express opinions for THE spanish
So by the same token being British does not cofer you any right to express opinions for the British.
So then forums would cease to exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This forum is BritishExpat.com so being spanish does not confer you any right to express opinions for THE spanish
So by the same token being British does not cofer you any right to express opinions for the British.
So then forums would cease to exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th 2010 | 4:17 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
Yes you did say that tourists are the target, see your post above.
You also say statistics are misleading, but then ask for statisical evidence to back up "wild claims".
MAKE YOUR MIND UP
May 6th 2010 | 4:22 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
But does it give people a right to express an opinion about British Expats? Or give an opinion on the opinions of BritishExpats?
Btw JLFS is Spanish when he wants to be - and British when he wants to be. I often disagree with him, but also he often gives valuable insight.
Btw JLFS is Spanish when he wants to be - and British when he wants to be. I often disagree with him, but also he often gives valuable insight.
As I have said ad nauseum, I do respect everyone's right to opinion. However I will challenge those who attempt to correct my posts with their opinions which in his case appear to have no foundation other than I am spanish so I know best.
May 6th 2010 | 4:25 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
The OP said he arrived in Madrid after a long flight from Japan. It is appropriate to ask if he looked like a tourist and thus stood out from the crowd.
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May 6th 2010 | 4:31 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
Seems like twisted logic to me.
May 6th 2010 | 4:42 am
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One of the reason why I have more insight is not the gfact that I am Spanish,
it is the fact that both me and my wife come from very large families, between us we have had about 70 great uncles and aunts, 32 aunts and uncles, hundreds of cousins, and we have lost count of the number of second cousins.
With all these people who are a variety of ages, generations, a wide spectrum of incomes, jobs,illness and problems, and living in the 4 corners of Spain, that is a hell of a lot of "goings on".
Surely even a blind donkey can see that I would hear more everyday tales than most expats on this or any forum through the family grapevine so to speak.
That is not to mention neighbours, friends and thier families.
Speaking Spanish is not the important issue here although I am speaking about intergration., most Spanish would not discuss the negative influence of any group of immigrants with another immigrant, now matter how well they speak the language.
And is is better to have the opinions of recent arrivals ie a lot of EXPATS or people who have lived all their lives in this country and have seen the changes over the years.
Who is better qualified to answer, and as the OP was taliking about Madrid and not Benidorm, I thought a wider example of peoples thoughts would be welcome.
it is the fact that both me and my wife come from very large families, between us we have had about 70 great uncles and aunts, 32 aunts and uncles, hundreds of cousins, and we have lost count of the number of second cousins.
With all these people who are a variety of ages, generations, a wide spectrum of incomes, jobs,illness and problems, and living in the 4 corners of Spain, that is a hell of a lot of "goings on".
Surely even a blind donkey can see that I would hear more everyday tales than most expats on this or any forum through the family grapevine so to speak.
That is not to mention neighbours, friends and thier families.
Speaking Spanish is not the important issue here although I am speaking about intergration., most Spanish would not discuss the negative influence of any group of immigrants with another immigrant, now matter how well they speak the language.
And is is better to have the opinions of recent arrivals ie a lot of EXPATS or people who have lived all their lives in this country and have seen the changes over the years.
Who is better qualified to answer, and as the OP was taliking about Madrid and not Benidorm, I thought a wider example of peoples thoughts would be welcome.
May 6th 2010 | 4:53 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
You've got that slightly wrong, Jacky, the ten percent figure is far too low for where you live, and if you take retired criminals into account, it's at least double that. And if you looked at the percentage of Russians down your way, their criminality would be around 90%. It's that sort of place.
May 6th 2010 | 5:08 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
Agree but didn't want to be accused of being racist I often wonder where some of the younger families get their money when they never seem to work.
All the spanish I know blame the EE for the increase in crime but I am not sure it is only the EE. There are a lot of spanish criminals too. They also accuse them of undercutting for work and taking spanish jobs.
I often wonder where some of the younger families get their money when they never seem to work.All the spanish I know blame the EE for the increase in crime but I am not sure it is only the EE. There are a lot of spanish criminals too. They also accuse them of undercutting for work and taking spanish jobs.
May 6th 2010 | 5:43 am
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Re: Crime and the crisis
To my observation, most of the beggars in spain are hispanic, I have not seen any of EE origin
JLFS> the EE are a very organised lot and have revolutionised begging
FYI; EE is much larger than spain. They are not all criminals
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