Could Catalanunya survive
Jul 24th 2013 | 4:26 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
What has that got to do with anything?
They are Catalan first, European second and Spanish third
Actually many Spaniards classify themselves like that. My wife says she is Asturian first, European second and Spanish third
Basically right wingers are pro-Spain and left wingers are anti-Spain
They are Catalan first, European second and Spanish third
Actually many Spaniards classify themselves like that. My wife says she is Asturian first, European second and Spanish third
Basically right wingers are pro-Spain and left wingers are anti-Spain
What are you struggling with?
Jul 24th 2013 | 4:29 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
Let's hope this quest for independence rubs off on to the Scottish voters.
Jul 24th 2013 | 4:32 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
Many Andalucian families dont want to speak Catalan even if they have been in Catalunya for 3 generations. Although some have no problem with that of course
This has absolutely nothing to do with Europe and free movement and everything to do with a national and cultural identity
Jul 24th 2013 | 5:29 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
Well yes, obviously when over one third of people residing in Cataluna are Andalucian and Murcian then this is a problem for Catalans as it dilutes their national identity
Many Andalucian families dont want to speak Catalan even if they have been in Catalunya for 3 generations. Although some have no problem with that of course
This has absolutely nothing to do with Europe and free movement and everything to do with a national and cultural identity
Many Andalucian families dont want to speak Catalan even if they have been in Catalunya for 3 generations. Although some have no problem with that of course
This has absolutely nothing to do with Europe and free movement and everything to do with a national and cultural identity
Population of Catalonia is approx 7.5mil. Approx 5.5mil in Barcelona.
Approx 12% of this are non Spanish.
If what you say is true, "the influx of millions of Andalucians and Murcians", there is hardly any room for you Catalan???
And yes, this has everything to do with Europe
Jul 24th 2013 | 7:14 am
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Jul 24th 2013 | 8:03 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
'Catalanunya'.
It makes you weep.
It makes you weep.
Jul 24th 2013 | 8:16 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
""... the Glasgow sides have been talking about joining the English leagues for years - and that could well happen if England gets independence.""
".....if England gets independence"
As for the Glasgow sides joining the English league, I reckon they and their fans would be about as welcome as a fart in a perfume shop.
".....if England gets independence"
As for the Glasgow sides joining the English league, I reckon they and their fans would be about as welcome as a fart in a perfume shop.
Jul 24th 2013 | 6:58 pm
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
""... the Glasgow sides have been talking about joining the English leagues for years - and that could well happen if England gets independence.""
".....if England gets independence"
As for the Glasgow sides joining the English league, I reckon they and their fans would be about as welcome as a fart in a perfume shop.
".....if England gets independence"
As for the Glasgow sides joining the English league, I reckon they and their fans would be about as welcome as a fart in a perfume shop.
Many English are starting to look upon the prospect of Scottish Independence as an opportunity rather than a problem which is why I use the phrase 'England gets independence'. It is envisaged that much Scottish commerce might move south if such a thing were to happen - why not the top Scottish football clubs? I think the best of Scotland moving south would probably be welcomed with open arms.
Jul 24th 2013 | 7:26 pm
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
Well the Glasgow sides have been talking about joining the English leagues on and off for many years.
Many English are starting to look upon the prospect of Scottish Independence as an opportunity rather than a problem which is why I use the phrase 'England gets independence'. It is envisaged that much Scottish commerce might move south if such a thing were to happen - why not the top Scottish football clubs? I think the best of Scotland moving south would probably be welcomed with open arms.
Many English are starting to look upon the prospect of Scottish Independence as an opportunity rather than a problem which is why I use the phrase 'England gets independence'. It is envisaged that much Scottish commerce might move south if such a thing were to happen - why not the top Scottish football clubs? I think the best of Scotland moving south would probably be welcomed with open arms.
Personally, it they want it, "¡Que se vayan!" Fatboy Salmond is convinced they'll be better off, a bit like when he wanted to join the Arch of Prosperity (Ireland, Iceland and Norway), we all know what happened to two of them. 
Jul 24th 2013 | 9:48 pm
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
The Scots fans generally come over the border with the drunken well pissed intention of overturning 500 years of history that doesn't quite meet with their approval.
Jul 25th 2013 | 9:05 pm
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
Aug 14th 2013 | 9:49 am
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Yes, you are right, i was wrong, Cataluña got last year 29.996 bilion
http://www.dondevanmisimpuestos.es/ccaa/
http://www.dondevanmisimpuestos.es/ccaa/
Thank you for the budget information.
My figure of €24 Billion and yours of nearly €30 billion is because your figure includes central government spending, like foreign policy which is fair enough. It would be nice to know how much each region takes in taxes as well.
Aug 14th 2013 | 10:03 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
If i tell the truth, Madrid is a little boring about Cataluña. We dont know why Cataluña hates us so much. We never teach children to hate cataluña at school as they do
If we were talking about people instead of communities, this behavior would demonstrate an inferiority complex and it is something that i dont understand. Cataluña is very beautiful, has sea, has a lot of monuments and amazing artwork, has enough writers, painters, artists to invent others no-catalans so inventing other history that doesnt have anything to be with the reallity has not worth
I keep on thinking that the most "catalanistas" are the ones that are not born in Cataluña.
So, if they get the independence, If they get enough votes to get it, really, good for them
If we were talking about people instead of communities, this behavior would demonstrate an inferiority complex and it is something that i dont understand. Cataluña is very beautiful, has sea, has a lot of monuments and amazing artwork, has enough writers, painters, artists to invent others no-catalans so inventing other history that doesnt have anything to be with the reallity has not worth
I keep on thinking that the most "catalanistas" are the ones that are not born in Cataluña.
So, if they get the independence, If they get enough votes to get it, really, good for them
We British understand full well what happened under the Nazi Gestapo in Europe for 3,4 or even 5 years. Catalunya is waking up to what happened for 40 or so years under Franco. The body pits are still being excavated.
But it wasn't only under Franco that the Catalans were repressed, it has been going on for centuries.
For at least a century, Catalunya with a thriving textile industry, was not allowed to trade with the Americas. Can you imagine London banning Manchester from trading with America ?
Aug 14th 2013 | 10:29 am
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Re: Could Catalanunya survive
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As they were today !
""... the Glasgow sides have been talking about joining the English leagues for years - and that could well happen if England gets independence.""
".....if England gets independence"
As for the Glasgow sides joining the English league, I reckon they and their fans would be about as welcome as a fart in a perfume shop.
".....if England gets independence"
As for the Glasgow sides joining the English league, I reckon they and their fans would be about as welcome as a fart in a perfume shop.
