Communal fees
#16
Slightly different situation, but similar result
There are 4 flats and a swimming pool in grounds locally. Three of the flats, no one uses them much at all, but the last is rented out from time to time. There's no community group, and the water got cut off because no one paid. The person who owns the fourth flat has ended up paying the water bill to get the pool kept full, and has to pay someone to clean the pool and try and keep the grounds in decent condition. People from the other three flats arrive from time to time and take advantage of the pool and grounds ... but never pay anything.
The flats are impossible to sell (three are up for sale) because of this, and legal action is, it seems, almost impossible even though there are only 4 parties. Unless they all sit down together and make a formal agreement they are stuffed.
I hope this situation had no effect on the saleability of your property ... but it IS a possibility.
There are 4 flats and a swimming pool in grounds locally. Three of the flats, no one uses them much at all, but the last is rented out from time to time. There's no community group, and the water got cut off because no one paid. The person who owns the fourth flat has ended up paying the water bill to get the pool kept full, and has to pay someone to clean the pool and try and keep the grounds in decent condition. People from the other three flats arrive from time to time and take advantage of the pool and grounds ... but never pay anything.
The flats are impossible to sell (three are up for sale) because of this, and legal action is, it seems, almost impossible even though there are only 4 parties. Unless they all sit down together and make a formal agreement they are stuffed.
I hope this situation had no effect on the saleability of your property ... but it IS a possibility.
#17
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Two things should be happening.
1. Yes, of course the law abiding owners will have to pay more in the short to medium term. If gardening, cleaning and pool maintenance come to £20,000, there are 10 owners and 5 of them don't pay then the other 5 will have to pay £4,000 a year, instead of £2,000 if everyone played the game. Otherwise the pool gets emptied!
2. Legal action should be started ASAP against the non payers and surcharges added on. It should start early 'cos the wheels of Spanish law move slowly. We started action over a year ago and now we have a charge against the property and details of the debtor's spanish bank accounts. The debtors pay all costs when you get the money.
The other alternative is to hire www.elcobradordelfrac.com/ if you know the legal owner and their address in Spain. They are very effective!
1. Yes, of course the law abiding owners will have to pay more in the short to medium term. If gardening, cleaning and pool maintenance come to £20,000, there are 10 owners and 5 of them don't pay then the other 5 will have to pay £4,000 a year, instead of £2,000 if everyone played the game. Otherwise the pool gets emptied!
2. Legal action should be started ASAP against the non payers and surcharges added on. It should start early 'cos the wheels of Spanish law move slowly. We started action over a year ago and now we have a charge against the property and details of the debtor's spanish bank accounts. The debtors pay all costs when you get the money.
The other alternative is to hire www.elcobradordelfrac.com/ if you know the legal owner and their address in Spain. They are very effective!
#18
Surely to get a ruling for non payment wouldnt be that difficult, and then I assume the debt (even if not paid) would stay with the property involved. It might actually spur the non paying owners into action!
#19
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However, when the electrician was sacked and the street lights went out, the roads stopped being repaired and no gardening was done, people took a bit more notice.
#20

Surely this would also be punishing the decent owners who stick by the rules and pay their dues, as well as unecessarily turning the place into a tip.
I presume most of the walkways and gardens are public areas for everyone to utilise and enjoy.
#21
Slightly different situation, but similar result
There are 4 flats and a swimming pool in grounds locally. Three of the flats, no one uses them much at all, but the last is rented out from time to time. There's no community group, and the water got cut off because no one paid. The person who owns the fourth flat has ended up paying the water bill to get the pool kept full, and has to pay someone to clean the pool and try and keep the grounds in decent condition. People from the other three flats arrive from time to time and take advantage of the pool and grounds ... but never pay anything.
The flats are impossible to sell (three are up for sale) because of this, and legal action is, it seems, almost impossible even though there are only 4 parties. Unless they all sit down together and make a formal agreement they are stuffed.
I hope this situation had no effect on the saleability of your property ... but it IS a possibility.
There are 4 flats and a swimming pool in grounds locally. Three of the flats, no one uses them much at all, but the last is rented out from time to time. There's no community group, and the water got cut off because no one paid. The person who owns the fourth flat has ended up paying the water bill to get the pool kept full, and has to pay someone to clean the pool and try and keep the grounds in decent condition. People from the other three flats arrive from time to time and take advantage of the pool and grounds ... but never pay anything.
The flats are impossible to sell (three are up for sale) because of this, and legal action is, it seems, almost impossible even though there are only 4 parties. Unless they all sit down together and make a formal agreement they are stuffed.
I hope this situation had no effect on the saleability of your property ... but it IS a possibility.
#22
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This year more people paid up so we got the gardeners back, the street lights fixed and some of the pot holes repaired.
I think if we had raised the payments instead even less people would have paid and we would not be in the position we are in now.




