Child Abducted
May 7th 2007, 1:41 pm
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Re: child abducted
A statement has just been made with a description of what she was wearing.
Marks and sparks PJ`s with the Eeyore from winnie the pooh on them.
But someone that evening was seen dragging something to the marina at some point.
Marks and sparks PJ`s with the Eeyore from winnie the pooh on them.
But someone that evening was seen dragging something to the marina at some point.
May 7th 2007, 1:55 pm
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Re: child abducted
Oh Im am finding this story really tough. My little girl is 3 and we are going to Portugal in a couple of weeks.
What the parents are going through I cannot imagine, but Im feel so angry at them at the same time for leaving 3 children under the age of 3 alone. You cannot leave children under the age of 13 or something in the UK...why would you leave them alone on holiday.
I also thought when they said she was left with her brother and sister, they were going to say they were 13 14, not that the 3 year old was babysitting her baby brother and sister.
When our little girl has been tired, we get a takeaway so she can sleep, so what if we are on holiday . I thought the whole point of a holiday is for the family to be together.
I prey that this little girl turns up safe and that every parent including people I know that have left their kids in hotel rooms whilst they eat...Never Ever do it again.
What the parents are going through I cannot imagine, but Im feel so angry at them at the same time for leaving 3 children under the age of 3 alone. You cannot leave children under the age of 13 or something in the UK...why would you leave them alone on holiday.
I also thought when they said she was left with her brother and sister, they were going to say they were 13 14, not that the 3 year old was babysitting her baby brother and sister.
When our little girl has been tired, we get a takeaway so she can sleep, so what if we are on holiday . I thought the whole point of a holiday is for the family to be together.
I prey that this little girl turns up safe and that every parent including people I know that have left their kids in hotel rooms whilst they eat...Never Ever do it again.
May 7th 2007, 4:11 pm
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Re: child abducted
50 yards isn't that far away when you think about it. If it was a private house and parents were sat in the garden, would it be any different if the children were upstairs and they were checking on them frequently?
She is a really pretty little girl and very photogenic, if a gang for instance wanted her to sell, or to use for child porno, even if the parents were actually asleep in the house they could have still taken her. There is a spate of nitro-oxcide attacks that has been used on many expats in their own homes and when they have woken in the morning they have been cleared out. Some with security systems in place. So if anyone wanted Madeline they would have got her anyway. She would fetch a good price to people who traffick women and children, which is a billion pound business. Considering police are often bribed and it is easy to take a person out of a country, if a gang has taken her I doubt she will be ever found and her life will be a living hell as long as she is useful. Seems to be quite a demand for child porno.
The parents were in Portugal, not UK so they come under Portugese law, not British and I don't think they should be prosecuted. Whatever happens from this point on, their lives have changed, if Madeline is found, depending on what has happened to her during that period, her life or her parents will never be the same. Her parents may never see her alive or even see her body again, or if they do, they will be haunted for the rest of their lives again depending on what has happened to her, so isn't that punishment enough? I don't think they should have left the kids, but if they were close they may have had a false sense of security.
How many women who are divorced from their husbands with kids and meet a new partner and when they feel they trust them, leave them alone with their kids. This is one of the ways many pedophiles get to children is through single mothers and she thinks she has a fantastic partner because he loves her kids. Yet there are women every day, going on the places like the internet, dating agencies etc hoping to meet Mr Right and announcing they have kids, and often their ages, and they are prime target to pedophiles, looking for lonely women with kids.....are they equally as stupid?
The world is a nasty place and no one really knows the people that well in their lives, often most forms of abuse are by people that are known to us. The parents of Madeline may have not done things quite by others standards, but that error of judgement, they will pay all their lives, and there will be always someone to remind them how stupid they were as well as their own guilt and recriminations.
If it turns out that the person or people who took Madeline was involved in an organised crime gang and it turns out that they would have taken the child using other means but opportunity presented itself, would people have a different view, because their goal was to get Madeline whatever it took to get her? She would be worth a lot of money to some people.
She is a really pretty little girl and very photogenic, if a gang for instance wanted her to sell, or to use for child porno, even if the parents were actually asleep in the house they could have still taken her. There is a spate of nitro-oxcide attacks that has been used on many expats in their own homes and when they have woken in the morning they have been cleared out. Some with security systems in place. So if anyone wanted Madeline they would have got her anyway. She would fetch a good price to people who traffick women and children, which is a billion pound business. Considering police are often bribed and it is easy to take a person out of a country, if a gang has taken her I doubt she will be ever found and her life will be a living hell as long as she is useful. Seems to be quite a demand for child porno.
The parents were in Portugal, not UK so they come under Portugese law, not British and I don't think they should be prosecuted. Whatever happens from this point on, their lives have changed, if Madeline is found, depending on what has happened to her during that period, her life or her parents will never be the same. Her parents may never see her alive or even see her body again, or if they do, they will be haunted for the rest of their lives again depending on what has happened to her, so isn't that punishment enough? I don't think they should have left the kids, but if they were close they may have had a false sense of security.
How many women who are divorced from their husbands with kids and meet a new partner and when they feel they trust them, leave them alone with their kids. This is one of the ways many pedophiles get to children is through single mothers and she thinks she has a fantastic partner because he loves her kids. Yet there are women every day, going on the places like the internet, dating agencies etc hoping to meet Mr Right and announcing they have kids, and often their ages, and they are prime target to pedophiles, looking for lonely women with kids.....are they equally as stupid?
The world is a nasty place and no one really knows the people that well in their lives, often most forms of abuse are by people that are known to us. The parents of Madeline may have not done things quite by others standards, but that error of judgement, they will pay all their lives, and there will be always someone to remind them how stupid they were as well as their own guilt and recriminations.
If it turns out that the person or people who took Madeline was involved in an organised crime gang and it turns out that they would have taken the child using other means but opportunity presented itself, would people have a different view, because their goal was to get Madeline whatever it took to get her? She would be worth a lot of money to some people.
May 7th 2007, 7:31 pm
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Re: child abducted
50 yards isn't that far away when you think about it. If it was a private house and parents were sat in the garden, would it be any different if the children were upstairs and they were checking on them frequently?
She is a really pretty little girl and very photogenic, if a gang for instance wanted her to sell, or to use for child porno, even if the parents were actually asleep in the house they could have still taken her. There is a spate of nitro-oxcide attacks that has been used on many expats in their own homes and when they have woken in the morning they have been cleared out. Some with security systems in place. So if anyone wanted Madeline they would have got her anyway. She would fetch a good price to people who traffick women and children, which is a billion pound business. Considering police are often bribed and it is easy to take a person out of a country, if a gang has taken her I doubt she will be ever found and her life will be a living hell as long as she is useful. Seems to be quite a demand for child porno.
The parents were in Portugal, not UK so they come under Portugese law, not British and I don't think they should be prosecuted. Whatever happens from this point on, their lives have changed, if Madeline is found, depending on what has happened to her during that period, her life or her parents will never be the same. Her parents may never see her alive or even see her body again, or if they do, they will be haunted for the rest of their lives again depending on what has happened to her, so isn't that punishment enough? I don't think they should have left the kids, but if they were close they may have had a false sense of security.
How many women who are divorced from their husbands with kids and meet a new partner and when they feel they trust them, leave them alone with their kids. This is one of the ways many pedophiles get to children is through single mothers and she thinks she has a fantastic partner because he loves her kids. Yet there are women every day, going on the places like the internet, dating agencies etc hoping to meet Mr Right and announcing they have kids, and often their ages, and they are prime target to pedophiles, looking for lonely women with kids.....are they equally as stupid?
The world is a nasty place and no one really knows the people that well in their lives, often most forms of abuse are by people that are known to us. The parents of Madeline may have not done things quite by others standards, but that error of judgement, they will pay all their lives, and there will be always someone to remind them how stupid they were as well as their own guilt and recriminations.
If it turns out that the person or people who took Madeline was involved in an organised crime gang and it turns out that they would have taken the child using other means but opportunity presented itself, would people have a different view, because their goal was to get Madeline whatever it took to get her? She would be worth a lot of money to some people.
She is a really pretty little girl and very photogenic, if a gang for instance wanted her to sell, or to use for child porno, even if the parents were actually asleep in the house they could have still taken her. There is a spate of nitro-oxcide attacks that has been used on many expats in their own homes and when they have woken in the morning they have been cleared out. Some with security systems in place. So if anyone wanted Madeline they would have got her anyway. She would fetch a good price to people who traffick women and children, which is a billion pound business. Considering police are often bribed and it is easy to take a person out of a country, if a gang has taken her I doubt she will be ever found and her life will be a living hell as long as she is useful. Seems to be quite a demand for child porno.
The parents were in Portugal, not UK so they come under Portugese law, not British and I don't think they should be prosecuted. Whatever happens from this point on, their lives have changed, if Madeline is found, depending on what has happened to her during that period, her life or her parents will never be the same. Her parents may never see her alive or even see her body again, or if they do, they will be haunted for the rest of their lives again depending on what has happened to her, so isn't that punishment enough? I don't think they should have left the kids, but if they were close they may have had a false sense of security.
How many women who are divorced from their husbands with kids and meet a new partner and when they feel they trust them, leave them alone with their kids. This is one of the ways many pedophiles get to children is through single mothers and she thinks she has a fantastic partner because he loves her kids. Yet there are women every day, going on the places like the internet, dating agencies etc hoping to meet Mr Right and announcing they have kids, and often their ages, and they are prime target to pedophiles, looking for lonely women with kids.....are they equally as stupid?
The world is a nasty place and no one really knows the people that well in their lives, often most forms of abuse are by people that are known to us. The parents of Madeline may have not done things quite by others standards, but that error of judgement, they will pay all their lives, and there will be always someone to remind them how stupid they were as well as their own guilt and recriminations.
If it turns out that the person or people who took Madeline was involved in an organised crime gang and it turns out that they would have taken the child using other means but opportunity presented itself, would people have a different view, because their goal was to get Madeline whatever it took to get her? She would be worth a lot of money to some people.
mmm well for a start it was a lot further than 50 yards nearly 4 times that and yes although they are in Portugal they can be charged in the UK under the European constitution. Their actions cant be defended by saying that the child could of been abducted by other means what they did was wrong. And by their actions and lack of care and attention the child has been abducted. they deserve to rot in hell
May 7th 2007, 7:33 pm
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mmm well for a start it was a lot further than 50 yards nearly 4 times that and yes although they are in Portugal they can be charged in the UK under the European constitution. Their actions cant be defended by saying that the child could of been abducted by other means what they did was wrong. And by their actions and lack of care and attention the child has been abducted. they deserve to rot in hell
I agree with the rest though
May 7th 2007, 8:18 pm
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...and so they should be.
May 7th 2007, 9:14 pm
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Re: child abducted
We have a little 2year old blue eyed blonde sweetheart of a grandaughter. We are in the process of moving out to Spain. I would not ever let her out of my sight when she is bought over to visit. Spain is very child friendly and I may be naive but I do not think it is The Spanish I would have to worry about where my grandaughter is concerned. My heart really does go out to Maddies family no parent deserves to go through the anguish they are going through and certainly no little child should.
May 7th 2007, 9:20 pm
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We have a little 2year old blue eyed blonde sweetheart of a grandaughter. We are in the process of moving out to Spain. I would not ever let her out of my sight when she is bought over to visit. Spain is very child friendly and I may be naive but I do not think it is The Spanish I would have to worry about where my grandaughter is concerned. My heart really does go out to Maddies family no parent deserves to go through the anguish they are going through and certainly no little child should.
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May 7th 2007, 9:27 pm
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Yes Rosemary I agree, evil does not discriminate. I just wish the poor little mite would be found safe and well as could be expected after her ordeal
May 8th 2007, 12:00 am
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Different reports on distance. The Times quoted 50 yards.
Regardless whether the parents were at home, or whether they had a babysitter the child could still have been abducted. Last year in Cardiff a 3 year old was abducted from her home whilst someone was in the house, and took her away and raped her. She was returned later. The pedophile was a convicted felon and realeased back into the community. Maybe the government should also be accoutable for letting them back into it without issuing a warning to parents. Maybe they could be done for lack of care to the public, especially with how many they let back into society.
The appartment, it seems was broken into, so the parents could have been at home in bed, and not hear anything, or they could have had a babysitter in the house who was listening to her ipod and heard nothing. If someone is determined to do you or your child harm, they will do. I think Madeline would have been taken regardless of what the parents had done, she was a target and someone determined will do what is needed to get what they want.
To have a child abducted and not know what is happening to her, the parents will be in living hell and even when they do know, it will continue for them and I don't think any parent deserves that. How many people are themselves that perfect as parents. How many drink at home and stagger to bed, they could sleep through a fire if they had too much, driving too fast, turning around and telling the kids to shut up whilst they are driving, been in a car with a few like that, could have ended up in a nasty accident and someone getting killed. We all make mistakes throughout our lives and sometimes we pay dearly for them.
Regardless whether the parents were at home, or whether they had a babysitter the child could still have been abducted. Last year in Cardiff a 3 year old was abducted from her home whilst someone was in the house, and took her away and raped her. She was returned later. The pedophile was a convicted felon and realeased back into the community. Maybe the government should also be accoutable for letting them back into it without issuing a warning to parents. Maybe they could be done for lack of care to the public, especially with how many they let back into society.
The appartment, it seems was broken into, so the parents could have been at home in bed, and not hear anything, or they could have had a babysitter in the house who was listening to her ipod and heard nothing. If someone is determined to do you or your child harm, they will do. I think Madeline would have been taken regardless of what the parents had done, she was a target and someone determined will do what is needed to get what they want.
To have a child abducted and not know what is happening to her, the parents will be in living hell and even when they do know, it will continue for them and I don't think any parent deserves that. How many people are themselves that perfect as parents. How many drink at home and stagger to bed, they could sleep through a fire if they had too much, driving too fast, turning around and telling the kids to shut up whilst they are driving, been in a car with a few like that, could have ended up in a nasty accident and someone getting killed. We all make mistakes throughout our lives and sometimes we pay dearly for them.
mmm well for a start it was a lot further than 50 yards nearly 4 times that and yes although they are in Portugal they can be charged in the UK under the European constitution. Their actions cant be defended by saying that the child could of been abducted by other means what they did was wrong. And by their actions and lack of care and attention the child has been abducted. they deserve to rot in hell
May 8th 2007, 5:24 am
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Some I know will be inside watching the football while their kids are on the beach.......that freaks me out! ....they say 'but these things don't happen here'..........I say of course they do - & this case unfortunately proves it
I have joined so many search parties on the beach over the years where toddlers have wandered off - so far all with happy endings
May 8th 2007, 5:26 am
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Different reports on distance. The Times quoted 50 yards.
Regardless whether the parents were at home, or whether they had a babysitter the child could still have been abducted. Last year in Cardiff a 3 year old was abducted from her home whilst someone was in the house, and took her away and raped her. She was returned later. The pedophile was a convicted felon and realeased back into the community. Maybe the government should also be accoutable for letting them back into it without issuing a warning to parents. Maybe they could be done for lack of care to the public, especially with how many they let back into society.
The appartment, it seems was broken into, so the parents could have been at home in bed, and not hear anything, or they could have had a babysitter in the house who was listening to her ipod and heard nothing. If someone is determined to do you or your child harm, they will do. I think Madeline would have been taken regardless of what the parents had done, she was a target and someone determined will do what is needed to get what they want.
To have a child abducted and not know what is happening to her, the parents will be in living hell and even when they do know, it will continue for them and I don't think any parent deserves that. How many people are themselves that perfect as parents. How many drink at home and stagger to bed, they could sleep through a fire if they had too much, driving too fast, turning around and telling the kids to shut up whilst they are driving, been in a car with a few like that, could have ended up in a nasty accident and someone getting killed. We all make mistakes throughout our lives and sometimes we pay dearly for them.
Regardless whether the parents were at home, or whether they had a babysitter the child could still have been abducted. Last year in Cardiff a 3 year old was abducted from her home whilst someone was in the house, and took her away and raped her. She was returned later. The pedophile was a convicted felon and realeased back into the community. Maybe the government should also be accoutable for letting them back into it without issuing a warning to parents. Maybe they could be done for lack of care to the public, especially with how many they let back into society.
The appartment, it seems was broken into, so the parents could have been at home in bed, and not hear anything, or they could have had a babysitter in the house who was listening to her ipod and heard nothing. If someone is determined to do you or your child harm, they will do. I think Madeline would have been taken regardless of what the parents had done, she was a target and someone determined will do what is needed to get what they want.
To have a child abducted and not know what is happening to her, the parents will be in living hell and even when they do know, it will continue for them and I don't think any parent deserves that. How many people are themselves that perfect as parents. How many drink at home and stagger to bed, they could sleep through a fire if they had too much, driving too fast, turning around and telling the kids to shut up whilst they are driving, been in a car with a few like that, could have ended up in a nasty accident and someone getting killed. We all make mistakes throughout our lives and sometimes we pay dearly for them.
May 8th 2007, 5:49 am
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I feel for her parents but to leave 3 young children alone in the apartment is wrong, this person was obviously watching, i have a 4 year old and have took her on holiday many times there is no way i would ever do that, were we go she goes simple!!!
I really hope they find her and the pervert who has taken her and lock the him up for life!
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I really hope they find her and the pervert who has taken her and lock the him up for life!
kezx
May 8th 2007, 9:33 am
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I feel for her parents but to leave 3 young children alone in the apartment is wrong, this person was obviously watching, i have a 4 year old and have took her on holiday many times there is no way i would ever do that, were we go she goes simple!!!
I really hope they find her and the pervert who has taken her and lock the him up for life!
kezx
I really hope they find her and the pervert who has taken her and lock the him up for life!
kezx