Re: Cash still rules in Spain
 

The last 30 years in Europe has been about destroying the socialist foundation that Europe built in the post-war period. Thatcher and Reagan started this. Since then it has been about monetization which is the only way to create GDP growth in a mature capitalist society that doesnt "produce" very much

The focus is wrong. We need to focus on improving people's lives rather than increasing GDP.

If you want to look at what the future of politics should look like, then have a close look at what is happening in Spain right now. I have two political heroes at the moment, Manuela Carmena and Yanis Varoufakis. That is where Europe should be heading

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The problem is that every country in Europe is different and some locations need to have lower corporate taxes to attract business, so one tax system won't work. You also can't force companies to stay in one country, just like you can't force people to stay where they are. I work for a German company in Ireland, but it's win win for all. We have plenty of Germans working here who want the experience of working abroad and it also creates jobs for locals. Other companies have some departments here and departments in Germany, so again win win, because people can move around and learn different skills. People like Thomas Eigenthaler don't see that, so he's no better than the politicians.

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Interesting link about Junkers.
He's seems to be as bent as a three pound note.

Little wonder he was the perfect choice for the EU job.

Secret deals, secret meetings that never took place etc, but at least he openly admitted that he considered it ok to lie, so that's alright then.

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Well, deflecting responsibility is, after all, a very socialist mindset.

Naturally, all our problems are the result of Reagan and Thatcher. Both of which dug themselves out of chronic recessionary state. It has been said often that the height of prosperity during the Clinton administration was demonstrably the result of policies implemented during the Reagan presidency.

Yes, I am well aware of what's happening in Spain. Despite the central bank's ominous warnings about increasing spending, the new socialist government here is wasting no time defining all kinds of new spending programs and tax hikes. Pity, Spain was just beginning to recover and people's lives were just beginning to improve.

Oh well, when all that goes belly-up in a decade or so, some neo-nazi far-right-wing government will get voted in, and we'll swing into another era of unnecessary headaches and stupidity. And so it goes...

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Socialism is a wonderful concept,....... until the money runs out.........

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Capitalism is also a wonderfull concept for those with money enough to afford food, housing , , health care education etc etc etc.
For those who have not !!!

Re: Cash still rules in Spain
 

For which only Capitalism can provide adequate funding,

...after which it's down to Govts to channel resources where they are most needed.

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That is socialism, governments providing funds,welfare , health , education etc.
Management or mis management of the economy has little to do with the political philosphy of the party in power , each side of the spectrum can be said to be as bad as the other.

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Eh ? :confused:

So where do you think the govt gets most of its funds from if not from taxes from Capitalist based enterprises ?

Once they've got their grubby mits on it that's where Socialism comes into it's own, because they are very good at spending it.

Until of course it runs out and then they leave a message behind for the incoming Govt which has their mess to clean up.

"Oh, sorry there's no money left". :o

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[QUOTE=Dick Dasterdly;11680348]Eh ? :confused:

So where do you think the govt gets most of its funds from if not from taxes from Capitalist based enterprises ?

Once they've got their grubby mits on it that's where Socialism comes into it's own, because they are very good at spending it.

Until of course it runs out and then they leave a message behind for the incoming Govt which has their mess to clean up.

"Oh, sorry there's no money left". :o[/QUOTE

Only an idiot would call New Labour socialists, they were as close to a being a moderate conserative party as it us possible to be.
Why do you think Cameron did not win the election because the electorate could see little difference between them.

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[QUOTE=EMR;11680366]I will leave the Mods to deal with your reply and comment no further.

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[QUOTE=Dick Dasterdly;11680382]New labour were the ultimate uber capitalists, just look at their relationship with the banks.

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Aside from screwing up the quotes (which he does all the time) I have no idea why the mods would be interested...

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[QUOTE=EMR;11680366]In addition to screwing up the quotes, blatant misspelling, etc., the other glaring habit he has is diverting the topic or attacking the poster on the basis of something they never said.

Who said anything about New Labour? DD certainly didn't. But that's EMR's basis for his name-calling attack. Typical and very predictable.

But since >YOU< brought it up (EMR), you may wish to take note of the fact that the Conservatives DID win the election (by a surprisingly wide margin), and the patently accepted post-mortem analysis is that Miliband was much too far left for voters, and all his claims about the UK economic disaster turned out to be patently false (the usual socialist dismissal of reality, and unsurprisingly, another typical behaviour of yours).

So, if you believe Miliband's Labour was uber-capitalist, then you must be a really far, far lefty. Borderline communist, I reckon.

Having worked within labour, I can say with complete confidence that internally, it is a very self-serving party. Still, socialism is fundamentally a self-servitude incubator, so it's rather to be expected from any party subscribing to a socialist manifesto.

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[QUOTE=amideislas;11680675]Dick referred to the famous no money left note which had nothing to do with Millipede but was the ,2010 election when the New labour Government of Brown an Blair,neither remotely socialist was thrown out of government by the Considered,lib coalition.
Before getting on your high horse please check the facts.