Bye, Amy.
 

I'll miss your voice. RIP.

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A very sad ending, only 27 years old I believe. R.I.P.

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Unfortunately no one seems surprised. Sad, but generally expected

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Yeah, not surprised at all. Shame, because I did like her stuff.

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Agree - very talented with a beautiful voice. How sad for her family.

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Yes. Very sad, so young but it didnt come as a surprise.Thoughts with her family.

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Another wasted life and still there are idiots that try to say that drugs are harmless.:frown:

Graham.

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Shame as I liked her music/voice. She has been effectively dead for more than a year. Drugs and drink took over her life. Incapable of singing or even standing up by the evening.

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didn't like the voice or the songs but from Day 1 she seemed fragile and unsure, perhaps propelled by others after a quick buck into something she had no control over - like someone sliding down a snow covered mountain on a dustbin lid.

she was never ready for the European tour that so badly went off the rails - her decision or someone else's ?
was it the rejection of the fans to that tour alone or just a build up of things going wrong ?
We will never know now but it is a tragedy for someone so young to take their own life - whether intentionally or by accident

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Water is dangerous. I understand that an overdose has terrible consequences. Ditto oxygen. Too much of that and it burns your brain out.

Am I an idiot for saying that some drugs are as close to harmeless that they should be legalised?

Alcohol. kills and cripples by the shedload. Why not bring in prohibition for alcohol, - and tobacco while you're at it.

Hang on, I need to check what that noise is.


OK, no problem, it was organised crime having multiple orgasms at the prospect.

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I think that everone else understood what I meant.

Graham.

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Are you sure? I don't. More people die from aspirin than ecstasy

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Funny old world isn't it we are discussing the death of one has been celeb and 90+ have died in Norway:(

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Over 30 have died in a train collision in China, but that barely gets a mention.

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starting a new thread ??

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I think that you answered your own comment as soon as used the word celeb, nothing else appears to matter these days.

Graham

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Everyone knew Amy, but the chinese were anonymous.

Sad fact of life.

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I'm not aware of anyone that has died from taking 1 asprin or a glass of water, however it does happen with ecstasy. I am also not aware of whole families lives being destroyed by drinking excess water which is what happens if you have an heroin addict as a son or daughter. If you are speaking of cannabis then yes you may have a point problem is most drug addicts do start with that it's what it leads onto that matters. Sorry but I do not see or agree with the point you make. Tragic that a talented young woman's life ends like this.

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Can we not turn this into another drugs yes or no debate please ....... She's dead, probably of an overdose ... there will always be different views on the use of drugs and as we proved here before, it usually ends in an argument :(

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Of course, we are jumping the gun. She could just as easily have died from alcohol. After all, that is a big killer, and the gateway to drug taking.

I don't know any drug addict that didn't start off on alcohol.

Of course, you have to ask, if she hadn't been the type to go down that road, would she have sung like she did?

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the perils of drug taking are well known and its usually smokers who progress down that route IME

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I think you will find that almost all drug addicts started off with alcohol, which is more damaging than heroin.

Logically if you were going to ban anything, you'd ban fags and booze an alcohol as they kill the most and ruin the most lives.

Why is it that so many artists turn to alcohol and drugs? I know that bipolars have a high addiction rate, alcohol and drugs, as they try to self medicate. They are also at their most creative on the highs of their cycle.

Perhaps those with that kind of high produce more memorable stuff?

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Each to their own opinion with this one suppose it depends on how much contact you have had with alcoholics and drug users. Although it's an addiction that kills you there is little similarity to smoking. Mind you one thing is you can drink in moderation as millions do and enjoy it, heroin is totally different, if you can't see that I can only presume you have had little contact with heroin addicts.
As has been said irrespective of how she died she was addicted to alcohol and drugs and no doubt lost her life as a result of one or both, very sad and a waste of a young and talented life my thoughts are for the waste of life and her family.

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Alcohol addiction is a terrible thing, just look how many artists it has destroyed.

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I saw her , 7-8 years ago , on a Jools Holland New Year ( Hootenanny ) show , when she was pretty-much unknown and reasonably modest and well-behaved ( if bland and coy ) ;
after which she had that Back to Black album , all the incredible world-wide success and all that money and a few years of being ( mostly ) off ;
In Belgrade recently , 1st concert of a new tour : it was a catastrophe . People still speak of that .

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I'm not saying it's not but heroin addiction is no picnic either, I have had plenty of dealings with both types, any addiction is terrible for the person involved and often their families. However as Mitzy says that's not what the threads about so I'll leave you to your opinion.

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ten times easier to give up heroin than alcohol.

Back to the question tho, why is it that so many sometimes quite talented artists that seem to have that destructive addictive side to them?

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Or are we confusing correlation with causation? A lot of really talented artists become famous at an early age. They are then exposed to wealth, parties, access to as many unhealthy substances as they want... There's a saying stating that "youth is wasted on the youth". I can't sit here and give a lecture on Amy Winehouse, or any rock star who goes off the rails. If I'd had had the money and the fame at that age, I doubt I'd have coped well either.

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prove it ....

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Domino I am glad you said that as my view as well. I am not saying that alcohol addiction is easy because it's not and yes it can kill. Have you seen the affects of heroin? they are both killers but I will say my point again there are millions of people use alcohol without becoming addicted no doubt many on here enjoy a cervaza or glass of wine and no doubt sometimes have a bit too much, result bad head and often making a fool of yourself. Unfortunately some become addicted. Heroin is a totally addictive drug once taken without specialist help you are addicted. I do not believe that you think taking heroin is recreational or anything but addictive.

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Yes I think that is the case with many artists etc, question is what drives the young kids on sink estates to get involved in drugs?

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in the majority of cases with heroin addiction - which is easier to acquire than alcohol, which is more insiduous and takes longer to reach the addiction stage - as has yet to be proven in this instance, the only result is DEATH.
With alcohol there is a potential for life afterwards, restricted, stomach clenching, fearsome but still a life.

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Do you not believe in the 'addictive personality' ... it is a small step from alcohol or nicotine addiction to drugs... specialist help is required to deal with the mental attitudes as well as the physical dependence

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boredom, peer pressure, because it is there ??
you name it and that is the reason

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and remember that the trick is to get them hooked at a low price before the craving starts and then ramping up the price along with restricting its availability
Tesco could learn alot from drugs dealers methinks

:thumbdown:

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i believe the route from nicotine to heroin is shorter than from alcohol
as to addictive personality - that is something that is more difficult to define, many people who you would say did not have that streak become addicted.

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Not to mention alcohol! Jeez, how many people are affected by that a year eh?

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I agree with that. Our geniuses produce creations that lift them far above us ordinary folk. Do they need extraordinary stimuli to climb to those heights? A lot of evidence points that way.

Six out of the last seven American winners of the Nobel prize for literature were alcoholics. Could the Beatles ever have written some of their songs without dope? Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds comes to mind.

A certain cigar smoking politician wrote and spoke some memorable words, and got rid of his black dog with fine brandy. Or maybe that's how the black dog appeared in the first place?

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Heroin addicts never give up? I think you have that one wrong. It's alcoholics that have the worse problems. A friend of mine was a copper, saw a lot of heroin addicts going thru cold turkey and reckoned it was over hyped.

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Sorry but I have to disagree I have been in the same line of work as your mate working in the inner city areas in Northern England and to say it's over done I'm afraid is utter garbage to put it politely, I afraid I've recovered too many dead bodies from hovels with the needles tin foil and soiled spoons beside them, to share yours or your mates view. I have also dealt with the families of these kids who have nothing and I mean nothing left in their houses as a result of these kids stealing from them to feed their habit. I have my opinion based on what I've seen in my life you have yours we will just have to agree to differ I'm afraid.