Shoot ... I though he was just advocating doing it in the botty?

Ok... Let's look at it this way. Iran is considered about the most extreme version of an Islamic state there is in the eyes of the West yet there are more women engineers and scientists there than men and here and the percentage of women scientists and engineers is one of the highest in the world. Primary school enrolment is the highest female to male ratio of anywhere in the world, 65% of university students and 43% of the workforce is made up of women! one of the highest in the world, nearly 30% of the ministers in government are women and nearly 4% are in parliament.... Compare those figures with here.....

Not flippant, Muslim girls think the same thing.
I presume you mean the hijab (I wonder, if a problem is, that you do not know what a 'burqa' is?)

I, some years ago, did a course a a Birmingham college, plenty of young Muslim girls there doing various courses, most wearing hijab and the cloak- room mirrors, always clogged with the same girls repairing their makeup.

Good attempt, but for all the education opportunities available for women I would like to point out that men automatically get custody of children in case if divorce.

And TBH I don't think the large number of female engineers in Iran would be of greater importance to most mothers compared to the fact that their daughters could be imprisoned or hanged if they break the strict dress code.

See below.

. More prominent are restrictions on their legal and civil rights. Women in Iran can inherit only half as much of their parents' wealth as their brothers. Their husbands can marry more than one woman, and automatically get custody of children after a divorce. Women can be jailed or hanged for defying the dress code, and they can be stoned to death for adultery. Since the 1979 overthrow of the Shah, the fundamentalist governments dominated by clerics have stressed the traditional role of women and restricted their civil rights and participation in political activities. The changes of women's conditions are very minor, only about surface things. But the limitations on basic rights and the legislation infrastructure haven't been changed at all Iranian women are better-educated and more politically sophisticated than many of their Muslim neighbors. The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization reports that the literacy rate of Iranian women is 70 percent, compared with an average 46.2 percent in the Middle East. A large number of Iranian women hold professional jobs in journalism, medicine or law, or become human-rights activists. Up to 70 percent of university students in Iran are female.

There are quite a few female Muslim heads of state around the world and don't forget our own Baroness Warsi - previously chairman of the Conservative party.

So what if there are women heads of state, what good is it that one of the female leaders daughters can be handed for breaking the strict dress code?

What is the good of having a woman leader, if she cannot protect other women or even herself if she has sex outside marriage, when no such fate will befall a male head of state?

Are they actual leaders, or what?

Yes who could forget her!

I reckon 99% of the Western world hate Islam. It has proven to be dangerous to the world. Not keen on any religion but I don't feel threatened by them.

I too wonder how the hand wringers handle the conflicts when in the next breath they are defending women's/gay rights.

I mentioned both these points in my post above. I think Me Me looked the other way.

In fact if you think about it, the posters who are constantly critical of Islam are the people who are actually guilty of under-estimating Muslim women, and 'putting them down'. Indicating that they can't achieve anything (certainly not while wearing a headscarf ).

I don't know how you come up with such a precise figure, I would think that much of the world including Muslims hate and fear radical extreme Islam.


PS Found this link in the Telegraph, shock, horror -----
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex...e-bedroom.html

I am saying that what good does it do being an engineer, when your daughter could be taken from you and executed for a dress code infraction?

But you don't seem to get it.

All the handwringing about what to tell your grandchildren, what does one tell a mother that her daughter is going to be executed for painting her toenails or not covering herself according to the bearded ones strict rules?

Good for them. It's a pity that millions won't enjoy such jolly bedroom antics so much after having important chunks cut off their anatomy.

How many times ------yes these atrocities do occur in some countries in some families.

Majority of Muslim women world wide wear makeup and paint their toenails even those wearing hijab. Hijab can be very attractive what is your problem with it?

I have not lived in Iran or Saudi Arabia so cannot comment.

As I said, at a personal level, I live among a few Muslims in UK and many as an expat and the vast majority decorate themselves as much or as little as any woman. So nothing special to tell my grandchildren about those they see around them.


PS it was not "handwringing" it was a metaphorical question for those who seemed to have a less than liking for "Asians" as they were described.

She is instantly forgettable. A token Muslim figure that never won an election?

And how many more times do I have to tell you that I don't mean all families in all countries