British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Sep 10th 2010, 9:59 am
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
I only have some knowledge of the Spanish education system in Valencia and Andalucia, but to suggest that one in three Spanish children go on to university is ludicrous.
It's equally ludicrous to suggest that Romanian, Ecuadorian or Moroccan immigrants outnumber the British expats in Spain.
Since 1997, in the UK, the quantity of people obtaining degrees has increased tenfold, and the quality has decreased accordingly. In some establishments, like the 'university' of East London, it's impossible not to get a degree, the only entry qualification is the ability to write your name in English, or Urdu.
Employers have begun to realise what has happened and a degree is now a hindrance in finding employment.
It's equally ludicrous to suggest that Romanian, Ecuadorian or Moroccan immigrants outnumber the British expats in Spain.
Since 1997, in the UK, the quantity of people obtaining degrees has increased tenfold, and the quality has decreased accordingly. In some establishments, like the 'university' of East London, it's impossible not to get a degree, the only entry qualification is the ability to write your name in English, or Urdu.
Employers have begun to realise what has happened and a degree is now a hindrance in finding employment.
Have a look at the previous link that shows the % of kids going to uni in Spain, it is 1 in 3 like you said. There was an article in EL Pais recently too, dig that out if you like
In reference to the foreigners, look at the article here if you like. Oficially there are way more Romanians, Ecuadorians and Morrocans than British, and given that you need to be registered resident to send your kids to school, there is no reason to doubt that this will also be the case in the schools:
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news...le_23783.shtml
Sep 10th 2010, 10:13 am
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
It's equally ludicrous to suggest that Romanian, Ecuadorian or Moroccan immigrants outnumber the British expats in Spain.
The top ten by nationalities, with the change over last year is as follows:
1. Rumania 829,715 +30,823
2. Morocco 746,760 +28,705
3. Ecuador 395,069 -26,357
4. United Kingdom 387,226 +11,523
5. Colombia 289,296 -7,378
6. Bolivia 210,624 -20,079
7. Germany 195,579 +4,577
8. Italy 183,999 +8,683
9. Bulgaria 169,195 +4,478
10. China 156,607 +9,128
Read more: http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news...#ixzz0z7VouDky
1. Rumania 829,715 +30,823
2. Morocco 746,760 +28,705
3. Ecuador 395,069 -26,357
4. United Kingdom 387,226 +11,523
5. Colombia 289,296 -7,378
6. Bolivia 210,624 -20,079
7. Germany 195,579 +4,577
8. Italy 183,999 +8,683
9. Bulgaria 169,195 +4,478
10. China 156,607 +9,128
Read more: http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news...#ixzz0z7VouDky
Sep 10th 2010, 10:23 am
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Hi Im new to this site, I thought this article was really interesting.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
Sep 10th 2010, 10:33 am
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Hi Im new to this site, I thought this article was really interesting.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
Around 95% fit this bill
The retired are the worst even thogh they have loads of free time.
Sep 10th 2010, 11:15 am
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Me, I feel sorry for them, because they miss out on so much.
Sep 10th 2010, 11:28 am
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I dont feel sorry for lazy people , many dont realise there`s so much more to Spain than sunshine and a cheaper cost of living , it`s embarassing to be british sometimes when you are with expats who have lived here years and cant even order a meal without making a confusing mess of it.
Sep 10th 2010, 11:52 am
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
I dont feel sorry for lazy people , many dont realise there`s so much more to Spain than sunshine and a cheaper cost of living , it`s embarassing to be british sometimes when you are with expats who have lived here years and cant even order a meal without making a confusing mess of it.
In that I suspect the kids would be more obviously attempting to integrate (or at least communicate). They wouldn't go to a kiosk & expect to be served sweets if they asked in English. I hope.
Sep 10th 2010, 12:11 pm
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Hi Im new to this site, I thought this article was really interesting.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
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Sep 10th 2010, 1:32 pm
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Hi Im new to this site, I thought this article was really interesting.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
Where I live it is possible (if you wanted to) not to learn the language, some people I have met that have been here ten years still only know the basics.
There are lots of Dutch, Germans etc that all speak English, Lots of Spanish that as soon as they know you are English speak back to you in English trying to extend their grip of the language.
The only way to learn Spanish is to mix with the Spanish, but if you meet ones that want to learn English then it takes much longer, is it damn right rude of them to reply to you in English ?
Sep 10th 2010, 1:40 pm
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Hi Im new to this site, I thought this article was really interesting.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
It never ceases to amaze me that you could move to a country and not integrate. I have always thought that when you move to another country its because you like that countrys way of life, you like the people, their culture etc etc. I am looking to move to Spain in the next year or so and am having Spanish lessons now - I use some of the Spanish basic words at home with my 2 year old so it will not be completely alien to her when we go.
There seems to be a lot of lazy expats out there that just want the sun and sangria and every thing from home - if that is the case then really you should have stayed at home and just come for holidays, by not integrating I think it is very disrespectful to the people of the country you have moved to and damn right rude! The same goes for people that come to the UK to live without any attempt to learn the language or integrate.
Sep 10th 2010, 1:57 pm
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Agree
I have met very few British in andalucia that have a decent level of spanish and that is in 20 years. The ones who have fully integrated and speak the lingo all seem to be on this forum
I have met very few British in andalucia that have a decent level of spanish and that is in 20 years. The ones who have fully integrated and speak the lingo all seem to be on this forum
Sep 10th 2010, 2:20 pm
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Sep 10th 2010, 2:58 pm
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
If I had a euro (OK, well several euros) for every Brit who, before moving here, has enthused about learning to speak Spanish "properly" and "wanting to join in", I would be soooooooo rich! Many seem to have a few lessons before arriving (which of course are "fun") and then when they get here make no effort to learn any more, either through lessons or through studying or even better through talking/listening! And then after 10 years here they moan about how difficult Spanish is and how "lucky" some people are because they can speak it. Yes, "luck" does come into it - it's lucky if you find languages easier than some other people do, it's lucky if you make Spanish friends who help you patiently - but surely it also needs some dedication and application and positive attitude on behalf of the immigrant?
Sep 10th 2010, 3:21 pm
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Re: British children the worst nationality at integrating into Spanish schools
Yeah, lucky.
I find the more I work at languages, the luckier I am like that.
I find the more I work at languages, the luckier I am like that.