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BritInParis Feb 28th 2018 4:31 am

Re: brexit
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12452808)
She has just done an about turn on this. She is now giving the same right to EU migrants during the transition as those that arrive before it.

As for whether the same rules will apply to UK migrants has yet to be agreed but I would say it is almost certain that they will offer the same, now that she has given in.

Details here https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ntation-period

Not quite. Those who arrived before B-Day will be given a new 'settled' status to replace their existing EEA freedom of movement rights. Those who arrive during the implementation period will be offered:


a. eligibility after the accumulation of five years’ continuous and lawful residence to apply for indefinite leave to remain;

b. a temporary status in UK law that will enable them to stay after the implementation period has concluded - this means that they will be able to remain lawfully in the UK working, studying or being self-sufficient for the five years needed to obtain settlement;

c. an opportunity to secure this temporary status during the implementation period, with an additional three month window for applications after the period, ensuring that there is no cliff-edge;

d. the ability for these EU citizens to be joined by family members after the implementation period on a par with British citizens; and

e. for those EU citizens frontier working in the UK during the implementation period, the opportunity to obtain permission to continue this after the period ends.
That's a much tougher deal that places them on par with other categories of migrants.

ChocsForTrixi Feb 28th 2018 4:40 am

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Hi all
Thinking of jumping before HMS Brexit sinks,
Sure ill find lots of useful info here
Trixi

Fred James Feb 28th 2018 4:42 am

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One thing is certain, after Brexit it is not likely to be any easier to come to Spain. Do it as soon as you can.

newpower Feb 28th 2018 5:42 am

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Looks like the UK government have given in to the EU and will carry on with free movement through the transitional period, so you have another couple of years before you need to move.

BritInParis Feb 28th 2018 6:11 am

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Originally Posted by newpower (Post 12452961)
Looks like the UK government have given in to the EU and will carry on with free movement through the transitional period, so you have another couple of years before you need to move.

Free movement was always going to continue throughout the transitional period. It's what would happen after the period had ended that was up for negotiation.

The UK's proposal is not reciprocal so if a British citizen moves to an EU state during transition then whether they are able to stay is up to the member state unless a blanket agreement is reached.


14) The arrangements that will apply to UK citizens who move to EU Member States during the implementation period will be for determination by Member States and we encourage Member States to mirror the UK’s offer in their own arrangements.

newpower Feb 28th 2018 7:26 am

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EU nationals who arrive in the UK during the transition period after Brexit will be eligible for indefinite leave to remain, the government says.

Sources say it is a compromise offer to the EU which wants citizens to have exactly the same rights as they do now during the transition period.

It means free movement of people is effectively set to continue until the end of the two year or so transition.

BritInParis Feb 28th 2018 7:33 am

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Originally Posted by newpower (Post 12453065)
EU nationals who arrive in the UK during the transition period after Brexit will be eligible for indefinite leave to remain, the government says.

Sources say it is a compromise offer to the EU which wants citizens to have exactly the same rights as they do now during the transition period.

It means free movement of people is effectively set to continue until the end of the two year or so transition.

Yes, again, that wasn't a matter of debate. What the UK government has offered is a way for those who arrived during the transitional period to stay once it had finished. Previously they would've had to apply to remain under existing visas or leave. This doesn't mean that a British citizen moving to, say, Spain after March 2019 under freedom of movement rules will be able to stay once the transitional period has ended.

Fred James Feb 28th 2018 8:20 am

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Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12453074)
Yes, again, that wasn't a matter of debate. What the UK government has offered is a way for those who arrived during the transitional period to stay once it had finished. Previously they would've had to apply to remain under existing visas or leave. This doesn't mean that a British citizen moving to, say, Spain after March 2019 under freedom of movement rules will be able to stay once the transitional period has ended.

If the EU accept the UK position, it would be very unlikely that they would not reciprocate.

Spain, unlike some other EU countries seem happy to encourage Brit migrants so I think it is very unlikely that they would not reciprocate this agreement. It might be very different in other EU countries, especially France, but Spain has a very different attitude.

Why would they not?

BritInParis Feb 28th 2018 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 12453121)
If the EU accept the UK position, it would be very unlikely that they would not reciprocate.

Spain, unlike some other EU countries seem happy to encourage Brit migrants so I think it is very unlikely that they would not reciprocate this agreement. It might be very different in other EU countries, especially France, but Spain has a very different attitude.

Why would they not?

I don't disagree with any of that. It's just important to note what has actually been agreed.

newpower Feb 28th 2018 10:57 am

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Nice to see so many are in the know on here.
Maybe they could tell us where they get all this information from.

BritInParis Feb 28th 2018 2:20 pm

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Originally Posted by newpower (Post 12453247)
Nice to see so many are in the know on here.
Maybe they could tell us where they get all this information from.

The document was already linked to. You only need to read it.

tebo53 Feb 28th 2018 6:07 pm

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Originally Posted by newpower (Post 12453247)
Nice to see so many are in the know on here.
Maybe they could tell us where they get all this information from.

Posters are often "in the know" because they do a lot of research! There are numerous official documents that can and are studied. The are posters on here that know just where to look and in what format to enquire. There are some extremely educated people who are very willing and able to pass on valuable information.

You always have the option to check any answer given on BE against published papers and articles. If asked, most posters would be willing to tell you where they have sourced their information.

Steve

Johnboyuk Feb 28th 2018 6:41 pm

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When I read articles such as this it tells me that we are no further forward. All of this should have already been sorted out. Boris is promising to take to bring back the 'Empah' and Labour is the government of choice for the remainers. They are even now being backed by industry. All Corbyn has to do is not say anything stupid and he will probably walk the next election.

I don't blame the government for this. The whole thing lies at the door of the remainers who could not be bothered to go out and vote.


https://uk.webfg.com/news/brexit/eu-...--3162227.html

chris76 Mar 22nd 2018 4:57 am

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hi with the announcements earlier in the week are any further forward?

with may saying that eu nationals coming here in transitional period will have same rights,will that apply to uk going to spain?

also how will the tax treaty likely play out in the future? as i would be returning to uk to work would i just charge spainish vat and pay taxes there?

i currently get deducted 20% at source from the company i subcontract to, then obviously just put my accounts in at year end.
so not sure how that would work

Fred James Mar 22nd 2018 5:01 am

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The answer to your first question is probably. Until we see the final details everything is questionable.

The second question, the tax treaty, has nothing to do with Brexit as it is a bilateral treaty between the UK and Spain. The current treaty was negotiated recently after about 30 years so changes are very unlikely.

bobd22 Mar 22nd 2018 5:03 am

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I only know what has been on TV but they say EU nationals arriving in UK during transition period have same rights as those arriving before. The same rights apply to UK nationals arriving in the EU.

EsuriJohn Mar 22nd 2018 5:14 am

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They also say nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. Don’t forget Ireland, Gibraltar and all the other small outpost still left.

chris76 Mar 22nd 2018 8:00 am

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ok great thanks.

just on another note,iv been on some tax calculators and on a hypothetcial 35k, taking into account a wife and 2 kids it says the tax due would be 4161

does that sound about right as a ballpark figure? Its just i was expecting tax in spain to be more, but i guess they give you an extra allowance as a joint liability and then having the 2 dependents?


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