Hi there

just wondering if a firm agreement has been made on the implications of brexit yet?

Would my family and i still be able to move out before we leave and access state schooling/healthcare?

thanks in advance

Until the UK leaves then you have exactly the same Freedom of Movement rights as any other EU/EEA citizen. Until the Brexit deal is signed no-one will be able to guarantee exactly what will happen after we leave in regards to retained rights but many non-EU/EEA citizens reside in Spain and have no problems accessing education and healthcare. It will merely depend on what basis you are eligible.

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Rosemary

You would be better off contacting your MP for information.

Members of BE only know what is said on news programmes and in the papers so are in the same boat as you regarding information.

Rosemary

ok, i heard we were guaranteeing the rights of people already here, so was wondering if spain was doing the same.

and if so wether we would have less rights, as we would be last in so to speak

They agreed that in the first round of the negotiations yes. However Mrs May says it's an whole deal at end of next round or no deal so we must all wait and see. As for MP's done that and no one knows untill Davis and May say so. I am afraid you simply have to do what you think is best, at the moment you have full rights of being in the EU.

The UK Gov site is a useful guide

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advice-f...ving-in-europe

It now seems pretty clear that if you are resident on the day that Brexit happens, all existing rights will be protected.

However, from my correspondence with the relevant UK government department, they talk about permanent residents on Brexit day. What they mean by permanent needs to be clarified as under the residency rules in Spain and the rest of the EU permanent residency is only granted after 5 years. Hopefully they mean anyone who lives permanently in Spain which is not the same thing as the EU definition of permanent residency.

After Brexit, no one has yet decided what will happen, but the Spanish government have stated that they wish to be as positive as possible to UK citizens in Spain. Of course, after Brexit, individual member states are free to make whatever arrangements they choose with regard to non EU citizens so hopefully the status quo will apply.

Although I don’t think this applies to the OP, my inquiry was about the continuation of the S1 healthcare arrangements for UK pensioners. The response I got was that for all permanent residents on Brexit day, the existing arrangements will apply. People who who have not reached pension age, will be allowed to use the S1 arrangents when they reach pension age. As I said earlier, it is not clear what they mean by permanent residents.

I will endeavour to get clarification on this in due course.

The Muppets in UK Government dont have a clue on Brexit, so no one can give a answer to the Question.
It will be better to take a chance before Brexit than after.

Thats what i was hoping,just unsure as to whether we would have the same access to state schooling/healthcare if resident for less than 5 years.

not sure i would want to take the gamble with a young family untill the decision has been made

It seems to me that Fred has hit the nail on the head - it's pointless asking UK authorities about conditions for expats in Spain. After brexit there will be no protection under EU rules and Spain will decide for itself how it will deal with aliens and immigrants. You will need to ask the Spanish authorities what they plan to do.

Too true, except for the reciprocal S1 and health agreements, which has to be initially and proactively driven by the UK. Which is worrying as the loonies seem to be doing well in taking over the asylum at the moment in the UK. Scary to watch.

I didn't think that had anything to do with Brexit as it's not an EU decision but one between Spain and the UK. I could be wrong of course

It is an EU wide form like the old E121 so I assume it applies in all EU countries.

The UK Government position is that it will continue to apply, so we can only assume that it applies to all EU countries as it does now - until 2019 that is!

The only bit that is unique to each country is the calculation of the payment by the UK to the local health service. That is calculated on the pre capita cost of the local health service.

After 2019 or Brexit if different, it would be up to the UK to negotiate a similar deal with each country unless they agree to be bound by existing EU arrangements.

I would have thought the Spanish after brexit would welcome those that can contribute to the country and can support themselves.....the same as anyone moving to the UK would.