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Feb 22nd 2018, 8:41 am
#31
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Hi,
We attended a Brexit seminar yesterday that was arranged by the British Consulate (Alicante). She gave a lengthy speech about expat rights, after Brexit, including healthcare etc etc.
She stated that anyone who was "Legal" in Spain with residencia, healthcare by means of S1 and on the Padron will continue to receive healthcare and pension rights (annual increases) She didn't mention permanent residency until later at question time.
So I understand from that, that if expats have been here, say, for 3 years and "Legal" on Brexit day 2019 then they will retain all rights they have now.
I might have misunderstood something along the way but after the usual chitchat between us after the meeting we all seemed to agree.
Steve
We attended a Brexit seminar yesterday that was arranged by the British Consulate (Alicante). She gave a lengthy speech about expat rights, after Brexit, including healthcare etc etc.
She stated that anyone who was "Legal" in Spain with residencia, healthcare by means of S1 and on the Padron will continue to receive healthcare and pension rights (annual increases) She didn't mention permanent residency until later at question time.
So I understand from that, that if expats have been here, say, for 3 years and "Legal" on Brexit day 2019 then they will retain all rights they have now.
I might have misunderstood something along the way but after the usual chitchat between us after the meeting we all seemed to agree.
Steve
Was anything said that made you concerned about your life in Spain post Brexit? Areas that perhaps came to light that people have not really paid attention to.
Rosemary
Feb 22nd 2018, 8:48 am
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I personally was satisfied with the seminar and recommend that if there is a meeting in the area where they live to attend. There is ample time at the end to ask questions.
I, at the moment, have no problem with Brexit.
Steve
Feb 22nd 2018, 8:59 am
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so were still not 100% sure it will apply to familys who move there 6 months or so before b day?
Feb 22nd 2018, 9:05 am
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Steve
Last edited by tebo53; Feb 22nd 2018 at 9:09 am.
Feb 22nd 2018, 9:08 am
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If you move before B-day and have completed all the formalities, registration, Padron etc, there should be no problems.
The big question is for those that arrive during the transition period (assuming there is one).
The big question is for those that arrive during the transition period (assuming there is one).
Feb 22nd 2018, 9:13 am
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Feb 22nd 2018, 9:22 am
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If there is a transition, it will be on the same terms. The EU won't budge on that. TM was squeaking about the UK insisting on different rules for EU citizens that arrive during transition but in the position statement that she issued yesterday, she made no mention of it. For as long as the UK wants to enjoy any of the four freedoms it has to accept all four, they are indivisible. So the only question is, will there be a transition or will it be a cliff edge.
Feb 22nd 2018, 9:38 am
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excellent,thanks for the clarification guys
Feb 22nd 2018, 10:47 am
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Can I give a massive vote of thanks to Fred for the hard won information, Steve and anyone else that attended the meetings and have been kind enough to let us all know what was said.
A big thank you from all the Expats, who like me live 'in the sticks' and are treated like mushrooms in many respects. Your fact based and honest information is invaluable in a World full of bull**it.
A big thank you from all the Expats, who like me live 'in the sticks' and are treated like mushrooms in many respects. Your fact based and honest information is invaluable in a World full of bull**it.
Feb 28th 2018, 2:34 pm
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If there is a transition, it will be on the same terms. The EU won't budge on that. TM was squeaking about the UK insisting on different rules for EU citizens that arrive during transition but in the position statement that she issued yesterday, she made no mention of it. For as long as the UK wants to enjoy any of the four freedoms it has to accept all four, they are indivisible. So the only question is, will there be a transition or will it be a cliff edge.
As for whether the same rules will apply to UK migrants has yet to be agreed but I would say it is almost certain that they will offer the same, now that she has given in.
Details here https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ntation-period
Feb 28th 2018, 4:31 pm
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She has just done an about turn on this. She is now giving the same right to EU migrants during the transition as those that arrive before it.
As for whether the same rules will apply to UK migrants has yet to be agreed but I would say it is almost certain that they will offer the same, now that she has given in.
Details here https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ntation-period
As for whether the same rules will apply to UK migrants has yet to be agreed but I would say it is almost certain that they will offer the same, now that she has given in.
Details here https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ntation-period
a. eligibility after the accumulation of five years’ continuous and lawful residence to apply for indefinite leave to remain;
b. a temporary status in UK law that will enable them to stay after the implementation period has concluded - this means that they will be able to remain lawfully in the UK working, studying or being self-sufficient for the five years needed to obtain settlement;
c. an opportunity to secure this temporary status during the implementation period, with an additional three month window for applications after the period, ensuring that there is no cliff-edge;
d. the ability for these EU citizens to be joined by family members after the implementation period on a par with British citizens; and
e. for those EU citizens frontier working in the UK during the implementation period, the opportunity to obtain permission to continue this after the period ends.
b. a temporary status in UK law that will enable them to stay after the implementation period has concluded - this means that they will be able to remain lawfully in the UK working, studying or being self-sufficient for the five years needed to obtain settlement;
c. an opportunity to secure this temporary status during the implementation period, with an additional three month window for applications after the period, ensuring that there is no cliff-edge;
d. the ability for these EU citizens to be joined by family members after the implementation period on a par with British citizens; and
e. for those EU citizens frontier working in the UK during the implementation period, the opportunity to obtain permission to continue this after the period ends.
Feb 28th 2018, 4:40 pm
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Hi all
Thinking of jumping before HMS Brexit sinks,
Sure ill find lots of useful info here
Trixi
Thinking of jumping before HMS Brexit sinks,
Sure ill find lots of useful info here
Trixi
Feb 28th 2018, 4:42 pm
#43
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One thing is certain, after Brexit it is not likely to be any easier to come to Spain. Do it as soon as you can.
Feb 28th 2018, 5:42 pm
#44
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Looks like the UK government have given in to the EU and will carry on with free movement through the transitional period, so you have another couple of years before you need to move.
Feb 28th 2018, 6:11 pm
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The UK's proposal is not reciprocal so if a British citizen moves to an EU state during transition then whether they are able to stay is up to the member state unless a blanket agreement is reached.
14) The arrangements that will apply to UK citizens who move to EU Member States during the implementation period will be for determination by Member States and we encourage Member States to mirror the UK’s offer in their own arrangements.