Hahah is that right ? the way you read it around about they are as peed off with them as they were with their own country then came here to do the same.

Maybe it is all hyped but whatever it adds up to, for me I wish countries would keep their noses out of others and leave them to live how they want. If they want to kill each other, treat their own badly then so be it. It may not be right as others see it, nor decent or even human. If you don't like how they live don't live there and leave them to their ways. Who gave anybody the right to make others change their beliefs.

I think you have got this arse about face, the Honour killings are being carried out in the UK, as is the one where the parents have been arrested for murdering thier 17 year old daughter, so are you suggesting that the British people in the UK should up sticks,move and leave them to their ways, and they have not right to interfere?
That is way I read your post

I'm not racist but I too agree with that.

bil, add to your list that all GDY's including Obama have to visit Ireland to visit their roots.
when I recently read the list of Founding Fathers there wasnt a single Irishman there.

i remember the IRA bombings in London, the mess made not only of the Nat West tower but all the adjacent streets - not just buildings. the blast travelled in all directions straight down the streets. horrendous
then there was the Baltic Exchange.......

I could give you a very full response to that but I won't as I expect I would be accused (not by you) of being racist. I live in a city with a large number of Muslims who use their religion "to advantage". It isnt just the Christians but also every other religious minority here that finds them totally impossible to deal with, telling everyone theirs is the religion of peace whilst practicing the opposite...
Until they stop burning the Union Flag and holding celebrations everytime a British soldier (irrespective of religion) is killed in Afghanistan it will not get better. So probably not even in your children's lifetime.

kr

I have already been called Racist in another thread here this week but I still agree

sorry, I hold you in respect - but not this time

that is normally called "live and let live" or using the new fluffy bunny words Diversity and Integration
to live in a country where my ancestry goes back before the time we ruled France and be told by someone that I must integrate with them is when I lose my rag.


You are wrong morally and legally on all counts. The law of the land is just that The Law of the Land. If you were living in the UK you wouldnt even think of just living by the bits you find "convenient". Why should someone walk into your street and start telling you how you will live bcause they have been brought up differently ? Women gave their lives less than 100 years ago, so in living memory, for the right to vote and to be their own person - and you want to throw it away ??

Yes, Brits in Spain complain about the differences in the culture, the laws, the everything about living here. But they obey the laws !!
If this country decided to eject all Brits but allow the Germans to stay, that would be wrong but we would still have to comply (as did the Jews in 1290)
Brits have integrated and at least one has become mayor of a spanish town.

if a group of people want to live in the Uk then they live under UK law. If they want to impose their "law" on the UK then they will fail.
If they - irrespective of race, religion, creed or bumps on the head, - wish to live in the UK then they live there by the law of that land.

To allow anything else is allow anarchy - and switch the lights off on your way out

I do not live in the Uk and seldom read news or watch TV. The way you read my post is not what I said. The ways a country as far as I can see it are their ways where ever it be. If you live in a country that has different ways to yours then you should respect their ways and abide by the laws of that country.

I obviously have been misunderstood.

Domino I have as I said obviously been misunderstood. I said you should abide by the countries rules. IE people moving to UK should abide by that countries rules and culture. How I got misunderstood I do not know.

I had to laugh at "But they obey the laws !" some do many don't.

You have to remember that Islam is still a young religion. 500 years ago xtianity was as bad if not worse. You'd get burned alive for translating the bible into English.

The Islamic conquests or Arab conquests began with the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

1 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
2 Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
3 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–709
4 Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
5 Conquest of Hispania (711–718) and Septimania (719–720)
6 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
7 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
8 Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
9 Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
10 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
11 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453
12 Further conquests: 1200–1800

and it carries on today

When the crusaders conquered Jerusalem, they killed indescriminately, and the streets ran red.

When Saladin conquered Jerusalem, everyone was told that they were free to go and worship where they pleased, and there would be no reprisals.

It's not all black and white.

Unlike you bil I wasn't there so I can't comment

I wasn't either, but my mate was. He said it was the biz.

Given that you commented on all the early Muslim wars, can I take it that you were there ?

No bil but my father was