90/180 Rule
#1
Just Joined
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2021
Posts: 5
90/180 Rule
Newbie here. With the lockdown/flights/ferries cancelled from Spain to the UK. I wonder if there will be some sort of amnesty for genuine overstayers. I know last year because of the state of alarm in Spain the BOE issued the statement below. I guess because the state of alarm is at present till the 09 Mar 2021 it will still apply. It seems very difficult to actually get an sort of answer and contacting Embassies is like banging your head against a brick wall
2. This validity will be limited to Spanish territory.
3. The extended period will be taken into account in order to calculate the maximum time authorized for future stays.
Article 4. Extension of stays of up to ninety days.
1. Those people who are in Spain in a situation of stay, for a period not exceeding ninety days, which has expired during the validity of the state of alarm, will have their stay extended, automatically, for a period of three months.2. This validity will be limited to Spanish territory.
3. The extended period will be taken into account in order to calculate the maximum time authorized for future stays.
#2
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2020
Location: Valencia
Posts: 504
Re: 90/180 Rule
Welcome Zeb. Short for Zebedee? I can already see some of the regulars getting red in the face before their springs uncoil in a most violent manner .
In short, who knows but I guess a lot are hoping so. Have a quick scroll through the most recent posts to find all of the factual info along with a fair bit of speculation and denial.
In short, who knows but I guess a lot are hoping so. Have a quick scroll through the most recent posts to find all of the factual info along with a fair bit of speculation and denial.
#3
Just Joined
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2021
Posts: 5
Re: 90/180 Rule
Thanks SanNico, Yes Zebedee - a mis-spend youth watching the magic roundabout
I've had a look on previous threads. Like you said its finding the wheat from the chaff. It really is a minefield that's for sure!
I've had a look on previous threads. Like you said its finding the wheat from the chaff. It really is a minefield that's for sure!
#4
Re: 90/180 Rule
Extensions may be given but apart from that the Schengen rules apply across the Schengen area and there is no way they can be unilaterally changed by any member state apart from closing borders for severe terrorist threat reasons. That was the whole idea behind the concept. All that Spain can do is make it easier to get a Schengen visa extension but even that is difficult.
The UK voted for Brexit and this is one of the consequences.
The UK voted for Brexit and this is one of the consequences.
Last edited by Fred James; Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:08 pm.
#5
Just Joined
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2021
Posts: 5
Re: 90/180 Rule
I hate to disagree with some of your points on my first thread Fred but if flights/ferries get cancelled you can't get back to the UK. I know of several people who have had flights/ferries cancelled Feb/Mar/Apr and even in some cases May. Obviously there's a possibility that could change for May.so therefore people will be overstaying the 90 day rule, It would be nice if there was some form of clarity on the matter
Last edited by Zeb123; Feb 23rd 2021 at 5:43 pm.
#6
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 483
Re: 90/180 Rule
Oh, for God's sake the Brits aren't aliens from another planet. Make a simple visa extension possible so you can spend 180 days in 360. WTF do they want to know the name of my Grandma's first boyfriend!!!!
As it is the sclerotic Spanish economy and its imposition of 30%+ unemployment on its youth will suffer. Pathetic!
As it is the sclerotic Spanish economy and its imposition of 30%+ unemployment on its youth will suffer. Pathetic!
#7
Just Joined
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2021
Posts: 5
Re: 90/180 Rule
Thanks frigilianafreddy,
By the way what is your Grandma's first boyfriend name?
By the way what is your Grandma's first boyfriend name?
#8
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2017
Location: Alicante
Posts: 925
Re: 90/180 Rule
Speculations on the cost to the Spanish economy from enforcing the 90/180 rule are wildly exaggerated and I suggest you do some research before making wild claims.
Hint: UK tourism as whole accounts for just 3% of GDP.
#9
Re: 90/180 Rule
#10
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2020
Posts: 702
Re: 90/180 Rule
Actually in EU terms effectively they now are and no amount of bellicose objections are going to change that.
Speculations on the cost to the Spanish economy from enforcing the 90/180 rule are wildly exaggerated and I suggest you do some research before making wild claims.
Hint: UK tourism as whole accounts for just 3% of GDP.
Speculations on the cost to the Spanish economy from enforcing the 90/180 rule are wildly exaggerated and I suggest you do some research before making wild claims.
Hint: UK tourism as whole accounts for just 3% of GDP.
#11
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,615
Re: 90/180 Rule
3% post Covid is a big deal. Plus islands like Ibiza will have a higher % of British tourists. People on here act like the Spanish arnt concerned about British tourism. They will want British tourism this year more than any other year on record. Don’t underestimate the economic devastation Covid has/will cause to Spain.
#12
Banned
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 19,367
Re: 90/180 Rule
In our patch, it's Germans. They've always been the dominant tourist nationality here, they have money, are ready to go somewhere, and apparently have just dropped some major covid restrictions for travel to the Balearics. But like everyone else, they still have to test negative 72 hours before arriving.
#13
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2017
Location: Alicante
Posts: 925
Re: 90/180 Rule
Correct, the numbers seeking ways to exceed 90 days will be an inconsequential flea bite out of that and as it's pretty much a given that they will still come for the 90 days regardless all that stands to be lost to Spain is any excess they have been used to.
#14
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 483
Re: 90/180 Rule
Actually in EU terms effectively they now are and no amount of bellicose objections are going to change that.
Speculations on the cost to the Spanish economy from enforcing the 90/180 rule are wildly exaggerated and I suggest you do some research before making wild claims.
Hint: UK tourism as whole accounts for just 3% of GDP.
Speculations on the cost to the Spanish economy from enforcing the 90/180 rule are wildly exaggerated and I suggest you do some research before making wild claims.
Hint: UK tourism as whole accounts for just 3% of GDP.
#15
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 5,615
Re: 90/180 Rule
Last edited by bobd22; Feb 25th 2021 at 5:17 pm.