Ray

Hi..Harry ..Jo

Of course I am sending from Britishexpats..it all make sense here..
But of course on Usernet it sometimes get altered just by color
which could be confusing.

Apprecitate the apology Harry ..I only attack the stupid people

`

J. J. Farrell

"Harry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Ray" <member9793@british_expats.com> wrote
    >
    > > You sir, are an idiot!
    > >
    > > People can't say that you have absolutely nothing!
    > > After all, you have inferiority.
    >
    > Ray, . . .go **** yourself. <---------

Hmmm ... Monsieur Bah-Oui calls you an idiot, Ray leaps to
your defence, you tell Ray to go **** himself and pour abuse
on him. Not a very nice way to deal with someone who is
sticking up for you.

It would be reasonable for you to object to Monsieur Bah-Oui's
posting, though since it clearly said much more about him than
it did about you, it would hardly have been worth the effort.

J. J. Farrell

Alun <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > the rules just say something about proving legal immigration
    > status, and an unexpired visa proves that.

No it doesn't - nowhere near. A visa has relevance at the
Port of Entry before you formally enter the USA, but it
has no use after that.

You could have a visitor visa valid for the next 10 years,
but you're out of status beyond the period for which you
were admitted (unless you've extended your status). You
could have several unexpired visas in your passport, but
chosen to enter without inspection by swimming the Rio
Grande for some reason. An unexpired visa says nothing
about your status; nor does an expired visa, or no visa.

An unexpired I-94 shows that you may be in status, but it
goes nowhere near proving that you are. If you entered in
a B status and have worked, you're not in status; if you
entered as an H-1 and lost your job, you're not in status.

It is almost impossible to prove that you are in legal
status, though it is often easy to show you are not. DMV
employees are certainly not trained to decide it. The best
they can do is check for evidence that you might be in
status, and an unexpired I-94 is about the only way to do
that without access to the USCIS computer systems.

Alun

[email protected] (J. J. Farrell) wrote in
news:[email protected] om:

    > Alun <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> the rules just say something about proving legal immigration status,
    >> and an unexpired visa proves that.
    >
    > No it doesn't - nowhere near. A visa has relevance at the
    > Port of Entry before you formally enter the USA, but it
    > has no use after that.
    >
    > You could have a visitor visa valid for the next 10 years,
    > but you're out of status beyond the period for which you
    > were admitted (unless you've extended your status). You
    > could have several unexpired visas in your passport, but
    > chosen to enter without inspection by swimming the Rio
    > Grande for some reason. An unexpired visa says nothing
    > about your status; nor does an expired visa, or no visa.
    >
    > An unexpired I-94 shows that you may be in status, but it
    > goes nowhere near proving that you are. If you entered in
    > a B status and have worked, you're not in status; if you
    > entered as an H-1 and lost your job, you're not in status.
    >
    > It is almost impossible to prove that you are in legal
    > status, though it is often easy to show you are not. DMV
    > employees are certainly not trained to decide it. The best
    > they can do is check for evidence that you might be in
    > status, and an unexpired I-94 is about the only way to do
    > that without access to the USCIS computer systems.

You are sort of right, and sort of wrong. OK, an unexpired visa isn't
conclusive, but then you go on to show that an I-94 doesn't prove it
either. The key thing here is that the lack of an I-94 proves nothing
either, as you have to give it to the INS to get a green card. The visa did
prove I was granted a visa, and I was in the US so I had been admitted
(notwithstanding crazed fantasies about sneaking into the country with a
valid visa). Letting a motor vehicle clerk make any judgement beyond the
visa itself is lunacy. They aren't equipped to cope with the task.

Alun

"Harry" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    >> Hi Harry.. perhaps you cannot read too well
    >> It was Monsieur Bah-Oui...who said
    >
    > By the way, he is impersonating a Frenchman. He/she is posting from
    > Panix.com a New York based co. I ran a trace.
    >
    > Harry
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

So there are no Frenchmen in NY? Sure.

Harry

"Alun" <[email protected]> wrote

    > So there are no Frenchmen in NY? Sure.

I think it is obvious from the hostile remarks he/she is a xenophobe native.

He/she wrote to someone else:

    > You are illegal, and therefore not welcome here! Please pick up your
    > stuffs and go back to your country!

I have never heard a Frenchman call himself "Monsieur" or a German "Herr" in
the US as he/she would be laughed at like a Charlie Chan movie <not meanly>.
Though it could, happen that one would like to be addressed like that and
possible, very unlikely unless a French group or party.

Flaming someone else he wrote:

    > You sir, are a fraud!

I suppose he should have said, "You Monsieur , are a fraud!" also. <laugh>

Harry

Harry

I have an update for any following this thread as asked to update. To review
in a nutshell

1. My parents moved to the US from England in 1957 when I was six.
2. They were told when naturalized Americans by the IRS employees/employee
that their childred were "automatic"
(link previously posted about automatic child law) and never got me a
document, with hindsight, was the incorrect thing to do)
3. Citizenship never before being an issue, I gave the New Jersey Motor
Vehicle agency my English birth certificate that was rejected and my parents
naturalization documents was also rejected with the MV agency that were
demanding a specific document citing my naturalization.
4. I was unsuccessful in 3 agencies including the Regional Center that
actually told me I needed a "green card" (I got 3 different opinions from
the 3 agencies)
5. I contacted my congressman's office and have had a aid working on it.
6. I have been out of work and unable to drive for over a month and going
half-broke.

I originally went to my congressman's office to get some kind of document or
to have some help getting my driver's license. When I called a week later
the secretary looked into the computer and said after I gave my name, "Oh,
you are the one trying to get a passport."

At first I was confused about this remark told to me on the phone because I
never asked for a passport, then I recalled that the Motor Vehicle Agency
requests a US Birth Certificate or Passport, so I got it. The aid came on
the phone and confirmed that they were working on that angle. also, advised
me to get a fast expedite passport and "bite the bullet" for the added
expense so if rejected they have something to work with faster. It cost me
155 dollars (on the phone previously, a person in the agency asked and I was
told $183 dollars - perhaps they included faster shipping)

I went out to a local passport agency about 12 or so days ago, had my
picture taken and gave them documents. They asked for my driver's license
that I gave them and they said, "this is expired!." I said, "I know that is
one of the reasons I am here." (not saying that is THE reason that I was
there because I do want a passport anyway).

They (passport agency) rejected my driver's license but I gave them two
other forms of ID with a picture (they copied) a Junior High School picture
ID card from around 1964 and a picture ID, Scuba diving certification card
to rent equipment from around 1976, my draft registration card (they copied)
from 1969, my high school diploma (they copied) the *original* two
naturalization documents of my parents they kept to send on, AND the
original UK passport from 1957 that they also kept to send on.

I 'sticky-noted' the places in the passport where my name was hand-written
cited as a child including 'sticky-noting' the page with the entry stamp to
the US where my name was written along with my brother with "Immigration
Visa" noted - that was on the "Visa" page in the passport. I also gave
information on the application that cited I was married (divorced now and
still single) to a US naturally born citizen (don't know if that mattered
but the application asked for it.)

Anyway . . today . . I called the passport people with a
toll-free number and immediately got someone on the phone. I was told
everything was "done" and in the mail. I asked *twice* if there was a
problem would you have it on your screen that it was rejected.
The person said yes he would know and I was getting a passport and it is
"approved".

Now . . I will believe this when I see it in 3 to 5 days the mail takes
to get here, BUT if he is correct - I WILL be receiving a US passport (and
*should*, being automatically naturalized with my parents in 1962/1963).
Just to repeat, what is NOT automatic in a case like mine is the citizenship
document at the time of my parents naturalization that some require today
like the Motor Vehicle Agency, that, surely, must be causing a lot of
problems for people with 50s era documents for automatic child-citizens. (I
repeat, my parents SHOULD have got the document anyway). Thank God I still
had the old original documents and the original UK passport from 1957.

I do not know if the Congressman's office worked on this behind the scenes
where I would not know, or notified the passport agency. I will call them
when I have the passport in-hand and ask them, or, if it was just simply
approved without any intervention.

I will update this one more time when/if I get or do not get the passport in
3 to 5 days.

Having the passport in-hand, I can THEN finally get my driver's license
renewed in lieu of not having a US birth certificate. Perhaps later at some
other date, I will get an actual document citing my child citizenship as all
I care about is getting my driver's license with the US passport and don't
need any more hassles for now.

Harry

Harry

It gives me great pleasure to say I got my US Passport today in the mail. It
was approved from my birth certificate from UK, parents naturalization
documents, a couple photo ID's, draft registration card from 1969 and the
original 1957 UK Passport that my parents used that cited my name on it
twice, appropriately stamped and referring to an 'Immigration Visa' with
quota numbers.

The passport is not like my mother's who went back to the UK in the late
70s. It include holograph type images on the photo page.

So now I can finally drive again as the Motor Vehicle Agency in lieu of an
American Birth Certificate must accept a US passport.

Thanks to a few very helpful posts, also. My Congressman's office was also
very helpful even emailing me. The Congressman's Office also referred me to
go to the Regional Center for a temporary license until my documents were
sorted out, but that never came about because the Passport was in-transit.

Harry

Ray

Well done Harry ... Go forth and abuse the DMV...

Mark Carroll

In article <[email protected]>, Harry <[email protected]> wrote:
    >It gives me great pleasure to say I got my US Passport today in the mail. It
(snip)

Fantastic. Thank you for doing such a good job in keeping us all updated. (-:

-- Mark

meauxna

Congrats, Harry!
I hope you'll consider registering to vote this year. I'd been wondering why you'd never pursued that angle (unless you did and I missed it).

Rete

Great news, Harry.

As for the voting issue, Mexie, all to many Americans do not vote. Wonder if anyone has done a survey to see if the biggest complainers were those that didn't vote.

WTG, Harry

Rete

Harry

"meauxna" <member1851@british_expats.com> wrote

    > Congrats, Harry!
    > I hope you'll consider registering to vote this year. I'd been wondering
    > why you'd never pursued that angle (unless you did and I missed it).

I may have put it somewhere. Oh yes, I have voted all my life and even did
some writing for local political candidates. I have had local signs on my
property. But having said this, I was a bit confused at first by the MV
rejection and the misinformation that I was getting in various agencies, one
MV 'Director' incorrectly told me I need a 'Green Card' and refused to look
at anything, if you can believe that. Then I asked if I should *stop* voting
to those I knew to be informed because I did not have the actual child
naturalization doc and a non-citizen vote is a violation of law. The INS and
Congressman's office reaffirmed that I was indeed a citizen.

The problem was that the MV department has no digression to make judgments
from documents but goes down a laundry list of a specifically *defined*
document list of *required* documents. The Passport people CAN make a
judgment call from reviewing ALL the documents.

Harry