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Old Mar 25th 2014, 2:04 pm
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Originally Posted by mikewot
Anyone remember Uberlingen? That sent a HUGE shockwave across the industry on my side. AF447 and this aircraft do the same on the drivers side(and SLF to an extent).
I take it you have no desire to follow Peter Nielsen...
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Old Mar 25th 2014, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by OleJanx
I take it you have no desire to follow Peter Nielsen...
Depends where he is going to, I might if I'm curious enough.
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Originally Posted by mikewot
Depends where he is going to, I might if I'm curious enough.
He was the ATC who was murdered after the Uberlingen crash...the husband of one of the victims got a tad annoyed with him...
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Originally Posted by OleJanx
He was the ATC who was murdered after the Uberlingen crash...the husband of one of the victims got a tad annoyed with him...
Whooooosh!
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Originally Posted by mikewot
Whooooosh!
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Old Mar 25th 2014, 4:23 pm
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And no, man didn't land on the moon either.
Oh please God no. Let me guess, you're a ****ing anti-vaxxer as well.

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So today's MH370 news is that a "concentration" of debris comprising less than 1 item/sq mile has been found. ..... I wonder if they realise that they're searching within the Indian Ocean garbage patch?
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
So today's MH370 news is that a "concentration" of debris comprising less than 1 item/sq mile has been found. ..... I wonder if they realise that they're searching within the Indian Ocean garbage patch?
Some pundit was on the TV this morning and said this: "It's not so much that we're looking for a needle in a haystack, but we can't even find the haystack...."

Rumour, speculation and secrecy. Not the most encouraging of subjects....
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Originally Posted by OleJanx
Some pundit was on the TV this morning and said this: "It's not so much that we're looking for a needle in a haystack, but we can't even find the haystack...."

Rumour, speculation and secrecy. Not the most encouraging of subjects....
Contemporary 24/7 media always trying to outdo / outscoop / outsex the news from their competitors.

This should go in the American Pet Peeve thread; it is annoying how news stories (presented by anchors) feature the same bloody footage on loop. As if we didn't get it the first or second time they ran the clip.
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Still no debris.


Question for Mr Mikewot. So, in the transcript we have the crew confirming flight level 350. How do we know that was true, and that's the level they were at. Does ATC just 'take their word for it' as it were, regarding flight levels, or are the flight levels confirmed via radar etc?

Just wondering if things were already going amiss before the transcript even finished.
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Originally Posted by Ditzy
So, in the transcript we have the crew confirming flight level 350. How do we know that was true, and that's the level they were at. Does ATC just 'take their word for it' as it were, regarding flight levels, or are the flight levels confirmed via radar etc?
Assuming that their transponder was still switched at that time then ATC would know the height (mode 3C) as the transponder transmits that data which is taken from the aircraft FMS.
As soon as the transponder is switched off effectively ATC are blind unless they happen to have primary radar. But most countries are gradually phasing that out (except for the military) as we're entering an era of cooperative aircraft systems, they tell you where they are and what the pilot has entered into the FMS as well as roll angles, climb rates etc (Mode S).

When we introduced the latest' version of secondary radar (mode S) at the London Terminal Control Centre (handles Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Luton) many pilots were embarrassed as ATC could see on the screen what the actual speed was that the pilot entered into the FMS. Soon stopped all the porkie pies and ATC got the speeds they wanted.
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Originally Posted by mikewot
Assuming that their transponder was still switched at that time then ATC would know the height (mode 3C) as the transponder transmits that data which is taken from the aircraft FMS.
As soon as the transponder is switched off effectively ATC are blind unless they happen to have primary radar. But most countries are gradually phasing that out (except for the military) as we're entering an era of cooperative aircraft systems, they tell you where they are and what the pilot has entered into the FMS as well as roll angles, climb rates etc (Mode S).

When we introduced the latest' version of secondary radar (mode S) at the London Terminal Control Centre (handles Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Luton) many pilots were embarrassed as ATC could see on the screen what the actual speed was that the pilot entered into the FMS. Soon stopped all the porkie pies and ATC got the speeds they wanted.
Nothing like using some TLAs to make you look smart
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Originally Posted by Millhouse
Nothing like using some TLAs to make you look smart
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