Originally Posted by Madam Medusa

but how would you do that...you don't mix in the same circles so it's not like it would happen...but i don't see any reason to exclude them from situations where they are in the same "space"...ie in the mall...

bloody hell if this was in the uk the press would have had a field day...

MM, xx

Originally Posted by Confucius

Would both of you be happy to share a cab with a labourer, or go into a toilet which is used by a labourer, or, go to McDonalds and sit down and have lunch with a labourer???

I know I wouldn't and i am pretty sure none of you would...

Hence I don't see why we get upset and angry at such a subject...

The issue is labourers coming into shopping malls, would we go to a labourer's shopping mall and hang around there, Grand Shopping Mall in Al Quoz is an example, without running out of there within 3 minutes???

I don't think so...

Originally Posted by Madam Medusa

but how would you do that...you don't mix in the same circles so it's not like it would happen...but i don't see any reason to exclude them from situations where they are in the same "space"...ie in the mall...

bloody hell if this was in the uk the press would have had a field day...

MM, xx

Originally Posted by littlejimmy

They can't afford cabs or probably even lunch at McDonalds.

I have eaten in restaurants frequented by them in Doha and Dubai, however. The fact that in general people of different nationalities and backgrounds stick together is beside the point here. This is bare-faced, ugly discrimination. And I'll be honest, I do feel a little bit guilty and responsible because I'm here living amongst it all.

Originally Posted by Confucius

I get your point, but, since we are talking about equality and reciprocity between people from all walks of life, would you go to a mall which is frequented only by labourers (Grand Shopping Mall for example)???

You are talking about not mixing in same circles, so, you wouldn't want a labourer to be mixed in your circles...

Originally Posted by Blue Cat

I have seen labourers being stopped from getting into IBN, I of course made a scene and they were allowed in.

Originally Posted by Madam Medusa

i don't even know where grand shopping mall is, but i don't care whether there are labourers in the shopping malls i go to, why would i...

and it's not a case of wanting or not wanting them to mix in my circle, just a statement of fact...

MM, xx

Originally Posted by Confucius

Those were just examples...

Yes, this is discrimination, but, the way I see it, we all have our own personal levels of discrimination too...You are a QS, so naturally you have labourers in your company, would you and all the white collar people agree to open your toilets for the blue collar people to use, or better yet, close off all your toilets and cafeterias and everyone use the same toilets/cafeterias/facilities and be treated equal? No, I don't think so...

Originally Posted by Confucius

MM, is your argument based on the fact that all men are created equal and should be treated equally???

Originally Posted by Blue Cat

I fully understand what you are saying Conf but I think MM is right in what she says about paths very rarely cross with the labourer's anyway. Personally it disgusts me the way that these men are treated and if letting them into a Mall makes their day a bit brighter then I see no harm in it whatsoever, they built the damn things!!!

Originally Posted by Confucius

Those were just examples...

Yes, this is discrimination, but, the way I see it, we all have our own personal levels of discrimination too...You are a QS, so naturally you have labourers in your company, would you and all the white collar people agree to open your toilets for the blue collar people to use, or better yet, close off all your toilets and cafeterias and everyone use the same toilets/cafeterias/facilities and be treated equal? No, I don't think so...

Originally Posted by Madam Medusa

no...

MM, xx

Originally Posted by Confucius

Yes, they built the damn things, but who is the owner of the mall??? The mall is a private property, and owners have their rights too...

Originally Posted by littlejimmy

I don't make the rules here and wouldn't be able to change them if I tried. In the UK when I worked on sites I shared facilities with the site labourers and had no problems with it. If it was suggested that there would be separate facilities we'd get laughed out of town.

But while we're on about canteens...the labour camp canteen on the airport site is miles better than the main office canteen.