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Old Dec 16th 2012, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
The only one who will NOT be present is Andy Murray.
I'm not biting...

I've always wondered why it was called "Personality" not Achievement or Sportsperson or something else? It makes voters think if they are decent chaps with a good anecdote....

If it were on purely 2012 results in their sport it could be:-

1 - McIlroy (World #1)
2 - Murray (1 gold, 1 silver, 1 major, wimbledon final)
3 - Farrah (2 golds)
4 - Wiggins (TDF Win (team sport), 1 Gold)

etc - I've not thought this all through (did Wiggo get more than 1 gold?) - hopefully you get the point - but the achievement results will certainly differ from the public votes.

Anyway - it's all entertainment
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I'm not biting...

I've always wondered why it was called "Personality" not Achievement or Sportsperson or something else? It makes voters think if they are decent chaps with a good anecdote....

If it were on purely 2012 results in their sport it could be:-

1 - McIlroy (World #1)
2 - Murray (1 gold, 1 silver, 1 major, wimbledon final)
3 - Farrah (2 golds)
4 - Wiggins (TDF Win (team sport), 1 Gold)

etc - I've not thought this all through (did Wiggo get more than 1 gold?) - hopefully you get the point - but the achievement results will certainly differ from the public votes.

Anyway - it's all entertainment
Does he mean that AM isn't in the crowd? Or is it a comment for you to bite on? I read it as the former...

Anyway...

Good ranking there (taking it as just the first few that you considered). Comparing medals is so tough though isn't it? Wiggins winning TdF is a massive moment for that sport in Britain etc etc... Can you compare that to McIlroy winning a major or Murray winning a grand slam tourno?

Tough to compare...maybe that's where the personality element comes in? Or maybe that it just comes down to who people like the most based on the sport they play or how much they know about them or whatever...
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Does he mean that AM isn't in the crowd? Or is it a comment for you to bite on? I read it as the former...

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AM will not be at the awards ceremony, he has already stated that he will be away at training camp, unless others have persuaded him otherwise. Difficult to see any other than Team GB winning team of the year, and I would hazard a guess at Clare Lomas for the Helen Rollason award.
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Originally Posted by Autonomy
I'm not biting...

I've always wondered why it was called "Personality" not Achievement or Sportsperson or something else? It makes voters think if they are decent chaps with a good anecdote....

If it were on purely 2012 results in their sport it could be:-

1 - McIlroy (World #1)
2 - Murray (1 gold, 1 silver, 1 major, wimbledon final)
3 - Farrah (2 golds)
4 - Wiggins (TDF Win (team sport), 1 Gold)

etc - I've not thought this all through (did Wiggo get more than 1 gold?) - hopefully you get the point - but the achievement results will certainly differ from the public votes.

Anyway - it's all entertainment
Interesting that you classify the Tour de Substance as a 'team sport'. I know what you mean (team orders, tactical riding, etc) but the results are declared on an individual basis......... I don't see Wiggins's win as anything other than an individual triumph.........
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Interesting that you classify the Tour de Substance as a 'team sport'. I know what you mean (team orders, tactical riding, etc) but the results are declared on an individual basis......... I don't see Wiggins's win as anything other than an individual triumph.........
This I don't understand, sure its a team event as several riders ride for the same team etc etc. What do the other riders actually do to help Wiggins win? Push people off their bikes, let the rivals tyres down, Brake infront of them, Push Wiggins along? Surely he has to pedal faster than anyone else to win?
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Rory!!!!!!!!
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This I don't understand, sure its a team event as several riders ride for the same team etc etc. What do the other riders actually do to help Wiggins win? Push people off their bikes, let the rivals tyres down, Brake infront of them, Push Wiggins along? Surely he has to pedal faster than anyone else to win?
Have you ever watched cycling? I guess you also think long distance athletics is not a team race either....
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1. Wiggins
2, Ennis
3. Murray
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Cannot agree with 'Team GB' winning Team of the Year..... plenty of failures there among the Ennises and the Farahs............ and is the guy who, for example, finishes 9th in the pistol shooting really in the same 'team' as, say, Ben Ainslie?? Ryder Cup team for me - no failures or weak links in the whole team.
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How Britain voted

Bradley Wiggins: 492,064
Jessica Ennis: 372,765
Andy Murray: 230,444
Mo Farah: 131,327
David Weir: 114,633
Ellie Simmonds: 102,894
Chris Hoy: 42,961
Nicola Adams: 35,560
Ben Ainslie: 35,373
Rory McIlroy: 29,729
Katherine Grainger: 28,626
Sarah Storey: 10,343

Total votes: 1,626,718
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Originally Posted by The Dean
Cannot agree with 'Team GB' winning Team of the Year..... plenty of failures there among the Ennises and the Farahs............ and is the guy who, for example, finishes 9th in the pistol shooting really in the same 'team' as, say, Ben Ainslie?? Ryder Cup team for me - no failures or weak links in the whole team.
I kind of agree, but it was always going to be that way.

McIlroy and Ainslie both finished well down the pecking order which surprised me.
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Have you ever watched cycling? I guess you also think long distance athletics is not a team race either....
Ah yes............the races in which Mo Farah was helped by his team-mates whose names were....... er......... um.........
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Ah yes............the races in which Mo Farah was helped by his team-mates whose names were....... er......... um.........
err...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1742434.html

"Mo Farah Wins Olympic 10,000 Meters While Training Partner Galen Rupp Takes Silver"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/sp...pics.html?_r=0

"Last Saturday, Farah won the 10,000 meters while his American training partner, Galen Rupp, took second with their patient sit-and-kick approach."
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err...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1742434.html

"Mo Farah Wins Olympic 10,000 Meters While Training Partner Galen Rupp Takes Silver"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/sp...pics.html?_r=0

"Last Saturday, Farah won the 10,000 meters while his American training partner, Galen Rupp, took second with their patient sit-and-kick approach."
I just don't get why you would do that?

Why not just go for gold and stitch him up?

Or by running with MF, is the Yank guaranteeing himself a chance for silver instead of a long-shot at any medal?
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err...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1742434.html

"Mo Farah Wins Olympic 10,000 Meters While Training Partner Galen Rupp Takes Silver"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/sp...pics.html?_r=0

"Last Saturday, Farah won the 10,000 meters while his American training partner, Galen Rupp, took second with their patient sit-and-kick approach."
No - if not a Brit, it doesn't count........... I can think of sports where that approach would get both competitors disqualified......... most long-distance races are solo efforts.
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