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busybee2 Sep 8th 2014 8:04 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 11397660)
Its the traffic jams that extend the rush hour to a ridiculous extent. Bypass has been spoken about for around 30 years but the purse strings are held in the central belt who have little or no interest in anything North of Cumbernauld where the Teuchters are. Irrespective that this is the region where wee eck's black goldmine is located.

i know i know.. been hearing rumours for a long long time.

NorthernLad Sep 8th 2014 8:20 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11397559)
People will stand at the ballot or with a slip in their hand and not be able to forget that Salmond is a massive fat wanker.

Spot on...I'd expect them to be ahead if they had someone more likeable fronting them.

The whole thing still seems badly thought out to me and the potential long-term effects of splitting off would worry me if I lived there.

Bipat Sep 8th 2014 8:24 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11397661)
I think we're both wrong. Regarding Commonwealth citizens, its:

Qualifying Commonwealth citizens resident in Scotland. This means Commonwealth citizens who either have leave to remain in the UK or do not require such leave, and are resident in Scotland.
Who can vote in the referendum on Scottish independence? | Yes Scotland

Which is broader than what I said, and narrower than what you said. Regardless, you're right in that (some) Indians resident in Scotland will be able to vote, which just makes it more ridiculous.

I would have thought that most of those that you refer to as "Indians" are of Indian 'origin' and are actually British citizens who happen to be resident in Scotland as any other British citizen.

How many Commonwealth citizens are resident in Scotland?? I have not looked up figures.

shiraz1 Sep 8th 2014 8:30 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11397689)
I would have thought that most of those that you refer to as "Indians" are of Indian 'origin' and are actually British citizens who happen to be resident in Scotland as any other British citizen.

How many Commonwealth citizens are resident in Scotland?? I have not looked up figures.


No, I was pointing out that Commonwealth citizens could vote, as can Irish, for various complex historical reasons.

Residency tests are the accepted norm in constitutional referenda, Quebec being the forerunner for much of this stuff (and Catalunya to follow (?) along Scottish lines)

Bipat Sep 8th 2014 8:38 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by shiraz1 (Post 11397697)
No, I was pointing out that Commonwealth citizens could vote, as can Irish, for various complex historical reasons.

Residency tests are the accepted norm in constitutional referenda, Quebec being the forerunner for much of this stuff (and Catalunya to follow (?) along Scottish lines)

Yes I understood, but my point was that they must be a very small number.
Although probably, there are more Irish that keep their original nationality.
Most others would no longer be Commonwealth citizens.

shiva Sep 8th 2014 8:48 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by NorthernLad (Post 11397684)
Spot on...I'd expect them to be ahead if they had someone more likeable fronting them.
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and yet hes the most popular uk political leader by a country mile, his approval rating is about 20 points ahead of anyone lese

Bahtatboy Sep 8th 2014 9:31 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11397689)
I would have thought that most of those that you refer to as "Indians" are of Indian 'origin' and are actually British citizens who happen to be resident in Scotland as any other British citizen.

How many Commonwealth citizens are resident in Scotland?? I have not looked up figures.

Oh don't bleedin' start this again. No, when I say Indians (although it wasn't me who brought up Indians in the first place) I meant Indians, not British citizens of Indian descent. Just the same as when I said Poles, Germans and French I meant nationals of those countries, not British citizens of descent from those countries.

NorthernLad Sep 8th 2014 9:34 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by shiva (Post 11397720)
and yet hes the most popular uk political leader by a country mile, his approval rating is about 20 points ahead of anyone lese

Not surprising if you look at the competition.

Inselaffen Sep 8th 2014 10:26 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 
Getting a bit bored with all this Scottish Independence stuff. Time to cut them loose and wish them all the best with their new currency and EU application.

Bahtatboy Sep 8th 2014 11:44 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 11397839)
Getting a bit bored with all this Scottish Independence stuff. Time to cut them loose and wish them all the best with their new currency and EU application.

And their own armed forces, lack of economies of scale, central bank, broadcasting corporation and embassies, and our border controls. But in particular their EU application, because without a doubt there will be some EU countries who won't want to allow a seamless transition for their own purposes.

Inselaffen Sep 8th 2014 11:50 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11397939)
And their own armed forces, lack of economies of scale, central bank, broadcasting corporation and embassies, and our border controls. But in particular their EU application, because without a doubt there will be some EU countries who won't want to allow a seamless transition for their own purposes.

and if they did join the EU it would be interesting to see how they would deal with hordes of English students applying to Scottish Universities to study without having to paying fees.

scot47 Sep 9th 2014 1:17 am

Re: Scottish Independence
 
The First Sea Lord is very unhappy that he may have to move his Trident-armed subs. And the aircraft carriers which have no aircraft.

shiraz1 Sep 9th 2014 1:27 am

Re: Scottish Independence
 
After ensuring that Britain has no carrier aircraft for a decade Cameron is urging other NATO members to step up to the plate regarding Ukraine and Iraq/Syria

Bahtatboy Sep 9th 2014 1:29 am

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11398087)
The First Sea Lord is very unhappy that he may have to move his Trident-armed subs. And the aircraft carriers which have no aircraft.

Yes, that would be a problem. What if he just refuses: war between England and Scotland?

NorthernLad Sep 9th 2014 1:31 am

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11398087)
The First Sea Lord is very unhappy that he may have to move his Trident-armed subs. And the aircraft carriers which have no aircraft.

An honest question - has the impact of this on local business near the naval yards been estimated?


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