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busybee2 Sep 8th 2014 6:55 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 11397499)
Uuummm my parents still live there and they're still squabbling about the route and who will pay.

Pre-start works agreement for AWPR | Transport Scotland

Bahtatboy Sep 8th 2014 7:07 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11397535)
Understood, so you have to be 'Scottish' by some manner and in Scotland?

Fair enough, guess it affects them the most.

No. Any EU citizen who is resident there can vote, which is why we'll have Poles, Germans, French and others deciding the fate of the UK. Utterly ridiculous.

mikewot Sep 8th 2014 7:16 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by busybee2 (Post 11397588)

Thank you for that :lol: So last month they started 8 million worth of pre start work including fencing, environment surveys and ground investigations ahead of the main works contract. But no main contract award yet :sneaky: And, worst yet, they're not even going to do anything to the haidagain roundabout until after the bypass is finished. Ay caramba!

Brains1983 Sep 8th 2014 7:16 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11397559)
People will stand at the ballot or with a slip in their hand and not be able to forget that Salmond is a massive fat wanker.

:goodpost: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I've maybe mentioned it before, but I was with my wife at Portsoy boat festival several years ago and I pointed out Salmond to my wife and said "that's the **** that wants to run Scotland". He must have heard me as he swiped me with his elbow on the way past. He is a massive fat wanker as well.

shiraz1 Sep 8th 2014 7:21 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11397596)
No. Any EU citizen who is resident there can vote, which is why we'll have Poles, Germans, French and others deciding the fate of the UK. Utterly ridiculous.

And Indians, Irish etc.
Thats because the test is permanent Scottish residence.
What would be your alternative?

scrubbedexpat141 Sep 8th 2014 7:30 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11397596)
No. Any EU citizen who is resident there can vote, which is why we'll have Poles, Germans, French and others deciding the fate of the UK. Utterly ridiculous.

Understood. Agreed.


Originally Posted by Brains1983 (Post 11397605)
:goodpost: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I've maybe mentioned it before, but I was with my wife at Portsoy boat festival several years ago and I pointed out Salmond to my wife and said "that's the **** that wants to run Scotland". He must have heard me as he swiped me with his elbow on the way past. He is a massive fat wanker as well.

He just strikes me as a classless buffoon. Waving the Saltire around at Wimbledon is hardly befitting of the leader of a country. It's just childish and pathetic.

Bahtatboy Sep 8th 2014 7:39 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by shiraz1 (Post 11397607)
And Indians, Irish etc.
Thats because the test is permanent Scottish residence.
What would be your alternative?

Indians or any other non-EU citizens can't vote. You have to be resident in Scotland and an EU citizen.

I wouldn't have applied that test, for the very reason that I believe its fundamentally wrong that a citizen of, say, Poland can help determine whether the UK union is kept or discarded. Many such voters will only be in Scotland temporarily (the test isn't permanent residence), but they can help un-do 300 years of union.

Frankly, I'd have opened it up to all UK citizens. Alternatively, just the Scots, irrespective of residence; but I don't know how to define a Scot.

Sally Redux Sep 8th 2014 7:42 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11397632)
Indians or any other non-EU citizens can't vote. You have to be resident in Scotland and an EU citizen.

I wouldn't have applied that test, for the very reason that I believe its fundamentally wrong that a citizen of, say, Poland can help determine whether the UK union is kept or discarded. Many such voters will only be in Scotland temporarily (the test isn't permanent residence), but they can help un-do 300 years of union.

Frankly, I'd have opened it up to all UK citizens. Alternatively, just the Scots, irrespective of residence; but I don't know how to define a Scot.

Yes, we know a Spanish person, living in England now, who has a vote as he was resident in Scotland at the time.

busybee2 Sep 8th 2014 7:43 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Brains1983 (Post 11397605)
:goodpost: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I've maybe mentioned it before, but I was with my wife at Portsoy boat festival several years ago and I pointed out Salmond to my wife and said "that's the **** that wants to run Scotland". He must have heard me as he swiped me with his elbow on the way past. He is a massive fat wanker as well.

hehehe we were going to buy a house in the place where he has one, we pulled out of the sale in the end.

busybee2 Sep 8th 2014 7:43 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11397637)
Yes, we know a Spanish person who has a vote as he was resident in Scotland at the time.

yeh exactly anyone living there, i am scottish but technically being resident here cannot vote even though the paper is waiting at home for me.

busybee2 Sep 8th 2014 7:47 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 11397604)
Thank you for that :lol: So last month they started 8 million worth of pre start work including fencing, environment surveys and ground investigations ahead of the main works contract. But no main contract award yet :sneaky: And, worst yet, they're not even going to do anything to the haidagain roundabout until after the bypass is finished. Ay caramba!

its a nitemare driving thru aberdeen, i did carnoutise to south of aberdeen in like less than an hour and it took me 45 mins to get from the first roundabout up to the next roundabout and over the bridge to the habour 45mins to go a couple of miles in aberdeen!! at 6.15 so i thought that the majority of it would have been gone by then.... they really need a bypass.

shiraz1 Sep 8th 2014 7:51 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 11397632)
Indians or any other non-EU citizens can't vote. You have to be resident in Scotland and an EU citizen.

Wrong

"British citizens who are resident in Scotland;
citizens of the 52 other Commonwealth countries who are resident in Scotland;
citizens of the 27 other European Union countries who are resident in Scotland"

Chapter 2 Paragraph 6

WebCite query result

mikewot Sep 8th 2014 7:55 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11397559)
Interesting. Opinion polls look very close but I think they No campaign will win it by a bigger margin than anyone thinks.

Actually not that close if you factor in the don't knows. Although the headline news on TNS-BRMB poll on 4th Sept is No - 39% and Yes - 38% what tends to get overlooked are the Don't knows, running at a whopping 23%

mikewot Sep 8th 2014 8:00 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by busybee2 (Post 11397645)
at 6.15 so i thought that the majority of it would have been gone by then.... they really need a bypass.

Its the traffic jams that extend the rush hour to a ridiculous extent. Bypass has been spoken about for around 30 years but the purse strings are held in the central belt who have little or no interest in anything North of Cumbernauld where the Teuchters are. Irrespective that this is the region where wee eck's black goldmine is located.

Bahtatboy Sep 8th 2014 8:01 pm

Re: Scottish Independence
 

Originally Posted by shiraz1 (Post 11397649)
Wrong

"British citizens who are resident in Scotland;
citizens of the 52 other Commonwealth countries who are resident in Scotland;
citizens of the 27 other European Union countries who are resident in Scotland"

Chapter 2 Paragraph 6

WebCite query result

I think we're both wrong. Regarding Commonwealth citizens, its:

Qualifying Commonwealth citizens resident in Scotland. This means Commonwealth citizens who either have leave to remain in the UK or do not require such leave, and are resident in Scotland.
Who can vote in the referendum on Scottish independence? | Yes Scotland

Which is broader than what I said, and narrower than what you said. Regardless, you're right in that (some) Indians resident in Scotland will be able to vote, which just makes it more ridiculous.


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