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Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by the_red_sheep
(Post 11383029)
So what exactly have you got your knickers in a twist about this time? You agree that the definition is accurate with regard to the Middle East, and no one here is denying Europe’s history. The fact Europe has a wealth of meaningful history doesn’t mean we can’t comment on the historical or present situation in the Middle East, indeed perhaps that history makes us better placed to do so.
Are you just demonstrating the usual Middle Eastern small-minded defensiveness, and inability to take criticism of any kind without seeing it as an insult, and throwing your toys out of the pram? And, really, excluding the Scandinavians? That betrays your lack of knowledge of European history, ever heard of the Vikings? They were a peaceful lot. You are drifting away from the main argument. The point I am making is this, whether it’s the African tribes, or the European nations, or the desert tribes, or the Amazonian tribes, each l have had a go at inter-fighting among themselves throughout history. But who among them should be given the medal for being the best at it? I think the medal should be given to those who had conducting those fighting on a biblical level!! As for the Scandinavians, yes I am aware of their Viking ancestors, but that is just about the only time when that nation spilt over their boarders. Compare that with how many times the English went into France for example! |
Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by Patsy Stoned
(Post 11383052)
redShark
This message has been deleted by mikewot. Reason: You've been told, very often, not to go wandering off the subject. Bloody Hell Mikewot.... if you deleted everybody's posts that wander off the subject, this bored would be quieter than it is now!! |
Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by norsk
(Post 11383134)
One of my friends is adamant that if the Americans, British, French (and any other countries that have a military presence here) pull out permanently including shutting down bases from the gulf and surrounding areas the region will heal itself....
My friend is European and yes, I think he is nuts! I think there would be carnage (although not straight away). What do you guys think would happen? Disclaimer: I am not by any means saying that the presence of these armies is a good thing and they have more than likely made things a lot worse than they potentially would have been if the region had been left alone from the start, but what is done is done and I cannot change the past. |
Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 11383046)
I wonder if Red Shark is proud of his Muslim brothers in Rotherham?
Rotherham: failures led to sexual abuse of 1,400 children | Society | The Guardian |
Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by redShark
(Post 11383731)
And also what about those who travel abroad to refugee camps in trouble stricken areas to target the children there?
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Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by redShark
(Post 11383728)
So why India is not the same as the west? because its a ****ing shambles of a level that only the indians are capable of. what is the missing link? You would need a great effort to convince me that had the West not been filthy rich, its current situation would’ve been the same as present India, not culture wise but system wise.
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Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by redShark
(Post 11383728)
India is also a democracy, in fact it is called the greatest democracy in the world because of the size of its population. For your information India too can claim most of those points you’ve listed. So why India is not the same as the west? what is the missing link? You would need a great effort to convince me that had the West not been filthy rich, its current situation would’ve been the same as present India, not culture wise but system wise.
You really do need to go away, read, listen and learn to think beyond what you've been told is fact. You need a mentor who can teach you HOW to think, not WHAT to think. Then come back and try to debate--you'll find it far more rewarding. |
Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by redShark
(Post 11383724)
Unfortunately Mike is giving in to the pressure from those members who are uptight and can’t take a joke :p
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Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by redShark
(Post 11383728)
India is also a democracy, in fact it is called the greatest democracy in the world because of the size of its population. For your information India too can claim most of those points you’ve listed. So why India is not the same as the west? what is the missing link? You would need a great effort to convince me that had the West not been filthy rich, its current situation would’ve been the same as present India, not culture wise but system wise.
Originally Posted by redShark
(Post 11383729)
Your friend is very right in his thinking and for anyone to think otherwise he would be a complete nutter. Those military bases in this region are not particularly a peace keeping force brought there to settle down the disputes between the Gulf countries. They are there to carry out missions such as the ones we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan, and God knows where else in the coming future. The vast majority of them (if not all) were brought to this region right after the Kuwait war and their presence has been hugely troublesome for the region, not least it was used by terrorist organizations such as Al-Qaida as a propaganda to gather supporters by claiming those are infidel armies in Muslim lands.
As to your last point re infidel armies in Muslim lands what does this tell you about the level of education of the people who actually believe the propaganda from these so-called religious groups. On a side-note Europe also had an issue with low education up until about 50 years ago. It seems education has a tendency to calm people the ***** down.. My friend is an optimist and a dreamer! The core problem will be that there is a lot of money and oil-wealth floating about in the region, but it is (of course) not equally distributed so you will have some countries who are a lot better off than others despite the size of their population which in turn makes them an easy target. And just like the pringles ad says 'once you pop you can't stop'.... |
Re: Scaremongering?
Yet another thread completely derailed. Aren't the mods supposed to do something about this? (question to self).
Back to topic, is there now a very real threat to the UAE assuming that the recent reports in Libya are true? It seems like a crazy assed move by the UAE if it is true. I can't imagine that the security forces over here will be able to prevent a hand full of gun men walking into one of our many shopping centers and causing havoc......Cue mass exodus. |
Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by Dumbo
(Post 11384362)
Yet another thread completely derailed. Aren't the mods supposed to do something about this? (question to self).
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Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by Bahtatboy
(Post 11384375)
Surely the Sand Pit is exactly where things can go off-topic, since its labelled as a place of off-topic chit chat. Tangential discussions are interesting, surely?
The original purpose of this thread, as I see it, could be quite important for people living in the UAE particularly those with families, but that seems to be completely lost amongst the squabbling. |
Re: Scaremongering?
However, I just glanced over my shoulder and caught a glimpse of my own petard...
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Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by Dumbo
(Post 11384383)
Sometimes they are interesting. Mostly its the same protaganists having the same old arguments.
The original purpose of this thread, as I see it, could be quite important for people living in the UAE particularly those with families, but that seems to be completely lost amongst the squabbling. Personally I believe the GCC is at a very tricky point in time. Disagreeing on foreign policy is one thing and honestly I was never of the impression that they were supposed to be united on that front, but this latest Libyan incident has the potential to become interesting. Quite possibly too interesting! Also if the US proceed with their rumoured plans for a coalition to defeat the ISIS chaps that just adds to the temperature.. |
Re: Scaremongering?
Originally Posted by norsk
(Post 11384396)
I'm sure we can get the thread back on track if we try hard enough..(I have been wrong before though)
Personally I believe the GCC is at a very tricky point in time. Disagreeing on foreign policy is one thing and honestly I was never of the impression that they were supposed to be united on that front, but this latest Libyan incident has the potential to become interesting. Quite possibly too interesting! Also if the US proceed with their rumoured plans for a coalition to defeat the ISIS chaps that just adds to the temperature.. Interesting times indeed, I don't believe it would take much for most to leave this place. |
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