Beaverstate

Line 1 2 3 4= yes. Line 5 racial profiling worked? perhaps. No amount of profiling justifies excessive use of force. Police must be held to a higher, less emotional standard. If an officer cannot contain himself, he shouldn't be one.

Tockalosh

Agree completely.

Tockalosh

Reminds me of the Arizona situation where the police have the power to stop Hispanics to check their ID's

Rights groups are still up in Arms over racial profiling but how many African Americans or White guys are crossing from Mexico to Arizona. Of course you are going to stop Mexican looking guys.

Beaverstate

Agree completely.

Boomhauer

Theres Middle Eastern and Asian (South + Oriental) illegals too and they are not insignificant though Amerindians and Mestizos are the clear majority.

The problem with the Arizona law is that Hispanic/Latino citizens and legal residents will also be stopped and asked to prove they are in the country legally.

It is an abuse of authority to stop and question people who are not commiting a crime. The 4th amendment protects the people from unreasonable search and seizure.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

scrubbedexpat141

So you can't question anyone unless you are watching them commit a crime?

co durham boy

No , there needs to be grounds for a stop & search and an objective to the stop & search , that needs to be documented and proved .

Tockalosh

I guess we all have personal views on this and as always we must respect those that differ from our own

I like ID cards but groups in the UK dislike the idea. I think its ok to check that a Hispanic in an area where there are lots of illeagal Hispanics is entitled to be there and what harm does a quick check do ?

I also thought that it was OK in the good old days for the Met to be able to stop dodgy looking black guys on SUS because apparently lots of drug trafficking or abuse in the capital was carried out dodgy looking black guys. If you are wearing your rastafarian uniform and walking like you are stoned out of your mind; was it unreasonable to stop them on SUS ? Of course the rights chappies got up in the arms about it and racial profiling was abandoned by the Met so as to be PC but it is just hiding from yet another uncomfortable truth

One that keeps making me smile is that the rights groups are up in arms that there is a disproportional amount of blacks in British prisons.

Is it because a disproportional amount of blacks are involved in illegal activities ?
OR
Is it because a disproportional amount of blacks are not very good at undertaking illegal activities ?

Who knows ?

scrubbedexpat141

S&S can be done easily, legally.

It's all about having reasonable reason to do so

Norm_uk

I think it's a bit more grey than that. He was hardly a saint to begin with and managed to get in trouble with the law before and after the beating incident.

Yes it was a good thing that the LAPD were called to task after the riots and things have changed...but the evidence still points to King being a toerag and a ruffian, not an upstanding member of the community.

In other words he followed trouble as much as it followed him.

N.

Boomhauer

Law enforcement can approach and question/talk to anyone but they can't detain them , pull them , demand they show id etcc... unless there is probable cause.

Beaverstate

That obviously depends on which country you are in.

Boomhauer

It shouldn't matter that most illegals are Hispanic/Latino, there are as many citizen Hispanics/Latino. No citizen should be singled out on their race and subjected to unwarranted search/seizure. Hispanic Americans should not be treated as 2nd class citizens relative to non Hispanic Americans.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, there was a lot of interest in and focus on militias and the anti government right. If the Feds were stopping random White guys and demanding they ID themselves and answer questions, you can bet there will be an uproar, especially if the authorities are Black and Obama/Holder authorised it.

co durham boy

Operation Trident was especially set up to tackle your above points

Beaverstate

In 2001 after 9/11 when I still owned my own business, I was pulled over by the Washington State Police because my delivery van had no markings. Same van I had been using for a 15 years without any prior interest. They actually asked me to open the back to verify what I had. I was on my way in about 10 minutes.